View Thread: Getting my headgasket replaced.....and then some. (pretty long)


kcg795
Ok. I got the van running much better now. I put the old ignition coil in it and it runs great. It was last summer that I put a new ignition coil in because the old one was going bad. So, I'm go buy another brand new coil when I make enough money this week for "doing yard work" for a friend. This is step one in preparing it for the 8 mile drive to the shop. And I gotta get new distributor cap screws. I dropped 2 of them and lost them. Now there's only 1 holding the cap on.

Another thing I gotta do is drain some of the oil out and replace it with new since the oil that's in there now is watered down. I'm probably gonna drain 3 quarts out and replace it with 3. Or maybe just 2. I'm now gonna have to buy me a new funnel, no thanks to the neighbors, so I can put the old oil in the bottles and take it to the recycling center. A little bit ago, I added the leftover STP had I used for the lawnmower in the van and it's not pushing as much water out as it used to. So, my head gasket problem is better than it was.

When it comes time to take it to the shop, I'm gonna leave the engine access panel unbolt it and leave the passenger seat off it so the mechanics can have instant access to it and that shall reduce labor costs. Of course, it's gonna be much noisier now. I'm gonna take several gallons of water with me so I can pull over every now and then and top off the radiator. I will take the trip nice and easy. Accelerations will be gentle and I'll go about 50-55 MPH. If I start losing a shitload of water, I'll go even slower. I tested it at about 2300 RPMS and the water seems to be pretty stable. If I'm very sudden with the throttle, then the water will jump out like an erupting volcano. I probably could put a small bottle of Barz Leak in, but the mechanics will have a big mess to clean up. They'll probably have a mess to clean up anyway since I've had Barz Leak in there before to fix a water loss problem I've had a while back.

Ok. When it's at the shop, what can they do to help prevent a future headgasket failure? The guy there told me they can put shims in that would help keep it strong. It's not just gonna get a cheap headgasket. It's gonna get a real strong one.

Ok. Another concern is that it could have a cracked or warped head. Ok. When the engine was rebuilt, the head was shaved and it's shaved to where it can be shaved no more. So, if the head has to be replaced, it's gonna need new pushrods. And another thing. The cylinders were rebored to the next size. So, I imagine a new head will result in lower compression. But how much lower? Well. I hope the head is in good shape. If it's cracked, then they could probably fill in the crack. If it's warped, then it'll probably need replacing, along with new pushrods.

As for the cause of the blown headgasket. I blame my brother. He got to drive it home after it was diagnosed at the shop. Well, when it wouldn't behave, he'd redline it. I mean, he redlined the fuck out of it. With several holes in the muffler, it's sound wouldn't compare to the riced out Honda Civics we see with their Beehive sounding shit cans.

After the repair:

After it's all fixed, my next job is the exhaust system. First of all, I'm gonna buy new gaskets for the cat convertor, take the cat convertor off and gut it out. Why? Because it's cheaper than buying a new one and would make the van perform better than a new one. :drive: Next step is to save some money to buy me a new muffler. The muffler I got now has holes galore. My brother's friend just restored an old MG B with basically the same muffler and it sounds nice. I basically want to get that same nice and quiet sound outta my 4 cylinder engine. I want a nice, calm, gentle tone. BTW, his engine, although smaller, is also a 4 cylinder.

Another thing I'm gonna do is get a decent steam cleaner and steam clean the engine and the engine bay. Then I'm gonna remove the valve cover, flake the rest of the paint off it, then repaint it another color. I'm sure I can find some special engine paint for doing that. Then I'm gonna get some vacuum hoses of a certain pretty color. Dunno what color though. I'm gonna replace all my old worn out black vacuum hoses with new colored ones. I basically wanna dress the engine up a bit. Kinda have a clean look to it.

Then I gotta lot more stuff to do and have done to this rig. Slowly, but surely, this rig is gonna undertake, believe it or not, a restoration. I'm really looking forward to getting it all done soon. I miss driving it. Now I'm stuck with driving mommy's FWD car.

A-Tech
glad that you enjoy your car so much but... I doubt people will see why... no offense, but its a van =\

kcg795
Check out www.toyotavans.org . Driving these things are a whole different experience. One thing I like is that it's RWD. The newer models were RWD with 4WD. I'm also not into trying to make my van faster. Yeah, I've had it at 80 MPH and it could probably go faster, but the engines on them are basically like diesels. They are tuned for low end torque and reliability. Well, I hope the "reliability" part is true after my headgasket is replaced. I have the 3YEC engine. The 4YEC engine in the newer vans are probably more reliable. Oh, get this. The 4YEC was a propane powered forklift engine. Kinda weird, huh?

These rigs are unique and are regaining popularity. Well, maybe not a whole lot. But more and more people are buying them. The 4WD models are the ones "Roy" over at www.toyotavans.org restores. And he does a good job too. If I had the money, I'd drive up and buy one from him. But, I'd also keep my 84 as well. I wouldn't mind having a 4WD rig.

It's basically a Toyota Van thing. You wouldn't understand. ;)

RedLine
No I wouldnt, nor do I want to. No offence but do you really think its worth replacing the head gasget. And last time I checked there wernt alot of after market for those things

k6kicker
why bash him for liking somethin you dont? I like the space mobiles too, its just something you have to drive to understand:sarah:

lexus1581
Glad to hear youre finally getting this whole thing sorted out and soon you will have the van back in shape.:cheers:

kcg795
Originally posted by k6kicker
why bash him for liking somethin you dont? I like the space mobiles too, its just something you have to drive to understand:sarah:

Thanks for that output. I really don't appreciate being bashed for a vehicle that I like. Some of us know that Hondas suck, but we don't bash the members on this forum who own them. If they like it, that's fine with me. Don't change my life any. K6 is right about one thing. It's just something you have to drive to understand. I like the "forward control" (http://www.zilliox.org/fc/) design because it makes me feel that I'm more part of the road. I kinda forget what it's like to drive a RWD car anymore. Well. I hope to save enough money soon to have the headgasket replaced. I'm over at a friend's house right now doing some work for her. I'll probably at least be able to buy my new ignition coil and distributor cap screws (lost 2 of them....fuck). Then I hope I have some leftover to put away. The fact that it's running really good is what made me decide, "let's go ahead and get it fixed."

Sia Bani
That's my view as well. Who the hell are you to say what's good or not...or what anyone should like or dislike....

kcg795
Well. Just bought my new ignition coil today. As a reminder, surf Schucks website for the part you need, print it out, and then bring it in. Otherwise, they'll overcharge ya. The price was $54.99. After I showed the lady the paper I printed, it went down to $34.19, which is lower than the price that was on the paper, which was 35.99. So, they basically beat their own price. I also bought a box of brand new distributor cap screws. I got home and installed my new coil. Hadda take the whole distributor out to do it. I made a mental note on where exactly the rotor was before I took it out so I wouldn't put it in the wrong way when I reinstalled it. So, I got it back together and hooked up. I set the timing to where I had it. Just in the middle. I'll bother retiming it after my head gasket's replaced. I topped the radiator off, put the key in the ignition, crossed my fingers, started it, and it started. Then I took it to the mailbox and back, which is like 1/4 mile away. Seems to run pretty good now. Now to change my oil and drive it to town and get my headgasket replaced after I get the money to do so.

montecarlolsus
If you like it it doesnt matter what others think. Most people wouldnt think a 1981 Pontiac Bonneville is worth restoring but that is what I am slowly doing to mine. The engine is like a rock never using so much as a drop of oil or making any noises(Its a 307 Olds) and the transmission is newly rebuilt(Its the 200-4R). The body is solid but it could stand a new paint job in the future and the interior is like new except for the headliner which is starting to come down. Best of all everything works and I can trust it to drive anywhere. Good luck with your van. We have to keep the oddballs alive.

A-Tech
im not bashing it, notice the "no offense" in my first post, second, since when do hondas suck....

kcg795
Who said anything about Honda suck? My personal opinion on a Honda is that I wouldn't own one. First of all, they are FWD. Secondly, I prefer my torque being higher than my horsepower. Third, I prefer pushrod engines because they create more torque and often use a timing chain and not a timing belt. Now, I do remember saying that my exhaust, since I have holes in the muffler, kinda sounds like the riced out Hondas ya see on Fast and the Furious. But I am gonna gut out my cat convertor later and install a new muffler and get a nice, gentle, 4 cylinder rumble. The gutting of the cat convertor will be my only "Performance" mod besides getting a K & N filter. I dunno how much the cat convertor gutting will boost it. But, I don't expect much difference from the filter. After all. I ain't using this for racing. But, getting some spare power out of it will help better, like when I'm accelerating, or passing some asshole who decides to go a bit faster than he was.

As you can tell, I'm pretty desperate to get this back on the road. That time will come eventually.

A-Tech
"Some of us know that Hondas suck..."

Why would you want a timing chain? they are extremely noisy compared to a timing belt.

kcg795
I can't hear my timing chain, and I sit ON the engine. :bigbounce

kcg795
Oh, also. Timing chains are much more reliable and don't need replacing every so often. That's just my opinion.

A-Tech
every so often? about 60k miles per belt... what a hassle :rolleyes:

kcg795
Well. As you know. We all have our own opinion. I just feel more comfortable with a chain rather than a rubber belt.

Run-GSX
Originally posted by kcg795
Well. As you know. We all have our own opinion. I just feel more comfortable with a chain rather than a rubber belt.

I prefer chains or direct drive gears myself. Unfortunately most people don't wanna be disturbed with gear "noise" during the peacefullness of driving.....:scratch: :rolleyes: so direct drive hasn't caught on except with the aftermarket. I drove a van like yours a few years ago. I beleive it was turbo. :scratch: I was amazed at the rather deft handling it displayed , much more solidly planted than other minivans I've driven. Sitting ON the engine is fairly strange , I know the drivers seat must be moved to get any access to it. Not a bad little van , keep it.

kcg795
Oh yes. They handle VERY well. I imagine with a front wheel alignment that it definently needs, it'll handle much better. I followed my dad into town with it one day to go have my alternator rebuilt. He watched the van in the rearview mirror as I turned through the corners. It hardly leans at all. It's gotta pretty stiff torsion bar suspension up front while having a coil spring suspension in the back. It is a little bouncy. Everytime my mom rides with me, she complains, "This isn't one of the smoothest riding vehicles." Ya get used to it.

As for the headgasket, I'm thinking about having a copper one installed. I want one that's pretty tough and that is not gonna blow. I read on the internet about copper headgaskets. They even say that they don't blow and can stand a lot more pressure. They are basically meant for racing engines. But, I can probably have one put on my van. Not only are they much tougher, but they disipate heat a lot better. What do you think?

Run-GSX
Originally posted by kcg795
Oh yes. They handle VERY well. I imagine with a front wheel alignment that it definently needs, it'll handle much better. I followed my dad into town with it one day to go have my alternator rebuilt. He watched the van in the rearview mirror as I turned through the corners. It hardly leans at all. It's gotta pretty stiff torsion bar suspension up front while having a coil spring suspension in the back. It is a little bouncy. Everytime my mom rides with me, she complains, "This isn't one of the smoothest riding vehicles." Ya get used to it.

As for the headgasket, I'm thinking about having a copper one installed. I want one that's pretty tough and that is not gonna blow. I read on the internet about copper headgaskets. They even say that they don't blow and can stand a lot more pressure. They are basically meant for racing engines. But, I can probably have one put on my van. Not only are they much tougher, but they disipate heat a lot better. What do you think?

Coppers good , but hella expensive for sure. Be a shame to put copper gaskets in there and not mod it a bit. Theres also a copper "spray" that you can use when installing the gasket. I used it on my last engine build in my old Eclipse. Its supposed to help with sealing and helping the HG to stay "floating" As you know , HG's move around a little as the engine heats and cools , especially with iron-block/aluminum-head engines. Are you gonna do this your self , or have a shop do it. A shop should know all the proper procedures. But I'd say do it. :drive:

kcg795
I plan on having a shop do it. I'll do repairs like change the plug wires, coil, and shit and replace some sensors. But, I won't go that deep into the engine. I also have my old MAF sensor in there that the shop said that they THINK is bad. I have one from an 86 I bought off eBay in my closet. I put the original back in when I kinda decided to give it up. But now I decided to fix it after all. So, now I gotta put the new MAF sensor back in. The old one is fine. But, the 86 one probably will work better. I also have to get my timing just right. I had it just right last year. I was getting pretty good gas mileage. Around 24. One time, I got 29. So yeah. This is a pretty efficiant rig.

A lot of people say Mini Vans are sluggish. One said they drove a Sienna and it wasn't as peppy as the Toyota Van. I think I have a reason why that is. I got to drive a friend's Plymouth Voyeger. It's not a bad van. FWD unfortunatly. As I was decending this hill, I put the gear shift to 1st gear. NOTHING! It didn't even try to slow down. Usually, when I put my van in 1st gear going down this hill at about 15 MPH, the engine immediatly roars to 4000 RPMs and I may get a chirp from the rear tires. But it'll crawl down the hill. This Plymouth didn't do shit. It felt like I had it in drive. Being that. I think the newer mini vans have a higher gear ratio on first gear. That probably explains why they aren't as peppy.

Run-GSX
Originally posted by kcg795
I plan on having a shop do it. I'll do repairs like change the plug wires, coil, and shit and replace some sensors. But, I won't go that deep into the engine. I also have my old MAF sensor in there that the shop said that they THINK is bad. I have one from an 86 I bought off eBay in my closet. I put the original back in when I kinda decided to give it up. But now I decided to fix it after all. So, now I gotta put the new MAF sensor back in. The old one is fine. But, the 86 one probably will work better. I also have to get my timing just right. I had it just right last year. I was getting pretty good gas mileage. Around 24. One time, I got 29. So yeah. This is a pretty efficiant rig.

A lot of people say Mini Vans are sluggish. One said they drove a Sienna and it wasn't as peppy as the Toyota Van. I think I have a reason why that is. I got to drive a friend's Plymouth Voyeger. It's not a bad van. FWD unfortunatly. As I was decending this hill, I put the gear shift to 1st gear. NOTHING! It didn't even try to slow down. Usually, when I put my van in 1st gear going down this hill at about 15 MPH, the engine immediatly roars to 4000 RPMs and I may get a chirp from the rear tires. But it'll crawl down the hill. This Plymouth didn't do shit. It felt like I had it in drive. Being that. I think the newer mini vans have a higher gear ratio on first gear. That probably explains why they aren't as peppy.

Well , I don't give Chrysler auto trannies any points for durability , smoothness or usefullness. Back when I drove a tow truck , I towed HUNDREDS of those things for tranny and drivetrain problems. The AWD ones seem to be a bit better put together , but the FWD ones are pure shit. If somebody gave me one , I'd sell it in a heartbeat. Your little Toyota van has already outlasted 80% of all minivans on the road , I'd say keep it. And don't let go of it. It may a bit of an oddball to fix , but those ones are WAY more useful than any of the newer stuff. The only way you could beat yours would be to get the AWD version .

kcg795
I have no intention of EVER getting rid of my van. The tranny is on it's second torque convertor now and the rest of it is still going strong. I think the place who rebuilt my engine did make a few adjustments to it. They also said to keep an eye on it. It engages pretty rough when I put it in gear. The 1st to 2nd gear upshift is a little rough too. But that's common on all the vans. Having my transmission rebuilt will probably be my last step in restoring it. It's shifting and operating really good as it is.

They do have 4WD versions. Not AWD. The 4WD versions also come with either manual or auto locking hubs. They say to go with manual locking hubs since the auto locking hubs are said to be very fragile. I might get another van with 4WD. But I'm still gonna keep my 84. So, I'll have 2 vans. It'd be nice to have a 4WD van to drive whenever I'll know that I'll be needing the 4WD feature.

Run-GSX
Originally posted by kcg795


They do have 4WD versions. Not AWD. The 4WD versions also come with either manual or auto locking hubs. They say to go with manual locking hubs since the auto locking hubs are said to be very fragile. [/B]

Yeah I agree . Auto hubs are also notorious for not disengaging all the way and so putting extra stress on drivetrain components. I once saw the interior of an auto-hub setup , I forget on what vehicle , that had PLASTIC parts......:curse:
I beleive most good manual locker setups use a bronze alloy , because its resistant to corrosion. 4WD is good , but I like AWD. All 3 of the vehicles I drive are AWD. It may cost a touch in fuel efficiency , but AWD is extremely stable , even at high speed in the rain ( don't ask me how I know that , I'll never tell ). RWD is good for fun stuff , but AWD owns.........:troy:

kcg795
I just parted my first part for my van today. A windsheild washer reservior. :woowoo: Mine leaked and didn't pump worth a shit. My brother needed to get some money back from a friend's uncle that he paid him for a car he wanted to get from him. So, we went over there and I knew there was a Toyota Van sitting there. I had my brother ask him over the phone if I can have the reservior. He said yes. So, I took MINE out and brought my 10 MM socket with me. Then I swapped reserviors on that van and brought the working one home. I put it on my rig and tested it. Not much pressure. I can piss better than that. :bigbounce Anyway. I found out it was a clogged strainer and I took it out and put it back together and tried it. IT WORKS!!! My van FINALLY has a working windshield washer!

lexus1581
:cheers: Now get it to completely function.

kcg795
A friend of our family's is gonna have me do some work for her. Last time I did some work for her, she paid my $50. She knows I have a van that needs to get back on the road. Hopefully, I'll earn a hell of a lot more from her this time. I now have $25 in my savings account. It needs to have $50 in there in order to earn interest. But, from now on, I'll put whatever I make in my savings account. I got everything I need right now. New keyboard for my computer. New coil for my van. Now I just have to pay to have the headgasket replaced. Oh, hope to god the head's not warped. If so, they'd have to get a new head and replace the pushrods with longer ones. Or shave the new head down so the pushrods will work. Or, I'll probably be lucky and the head might accept another shave. But, we'll see.

Run-GSX
Originally posted by kcg795
A friend of our family's is gonna have me do some work for her. Last time I did some work for her, she paid my $50. She knows I have a van that needs to get back on the road. Hopefully, I'll earn a hell of a lot more from her this time. I now have $25 in my savings account. It needs to have $50 in there in order to earn interest. But, from now on, I'll put whatever I make in my savings account. I got everything I need right now. New keyboard for my computer. New coil for my van. Now I just have to pay to have the headgasket replaced. Oh, hope to god the head's not warped. If so, they'd have to get a new head and replace the pushrods with longer ones. Or shave the new head down so the pushrods will work. Or, I'll probably be lucky and the head might accept another shave. But, we'll see.


This has happened before ? Thats not good.................:(

kcg795
The last time the head got warped was when the water pump blew while we were on the freeway. It overheated like a motherfucker. So, it was warped. The place who rebuilt the engine said it's already been shaved and will try to shave it again and can't guarantee that it's gonna work. Well. I'll just see what happens. Like I said before. It's running really good right now and the leak isn't as bad.

Run-GSX
Originally posted by kcg795
The last time the head got warped was when the water pump blew while we were on the freeway. It overheated like a motherfucker. So, it was warped. The place who rebuilt the engine said it's already been shaved and will try to shave it again and can't guarantee that it's gonna work. Well. I'll just see what happens. Like I said before. It's running really good right now and the leak isn't as bad.

Jeez , they redecked a warped head? wtf.......:scratch: Its shoulda been replaced. Redecking a badly warped head is just asking for trouble. I know money is a big issue for you , but so is having shoddy work done. You should get another head.

kcg795
Ok. If I have my head replaced. Here is one concern I have. I know they can replace the pushrods with longer ones so the valves will work properly. But my cylinders have been bored to the next size and shit. Won't a new head lower my compression? If so, it won't affect my performance, will it?

lexus1581
KC do you care about performance anyway? Im not trying to put down the Van but are you really looking for it to compete.

kcg795
I'm not looking for it to compete. I just don't want to lose power. As for gutting the catalytic convertor and possibly doing the air intake modification. I'm doing that mainly for efficiancy. Yeah. I'll have to admit that I'm trying it for more power. I'm not looking for it to compete or anything like I said. But if I can squeeze more power out of this easily, that would be great for passing them slow assholes who like to speed up when I pass them. Ya know.

lexus1581
Ok just checking to see if you meant competition wise or just having the ability to reach 60+ without a problem. Now I know the answer.:cheers:

Run-GSX
If the head was decked before , it might lower your compression a touch , yes . BUT , if the engine was overbored , you also gained some cubic inches , which'll help power. But I beleive copper HG's like what you want are somewhat thinner than regular HG's , they don't need to be as thick for strength. Mitsubishi MHG's are 1/2 the thickness of regular HG's . So you may gain a few points compression anyway. Redecking the head again may take the valves too far into the interference "danger" area , where the piston can hit the valves lightly even if they are closed. Get with the shop on that detail. As far as pushrods go , you'll be able to use the regular size (stock) ones again with the new head. If you wanna make decent midrange passing power , see if anyone makes a good header for your engine.

kcg795
Ok, thanks Run-GSX. We will see what happens and hope for the best. BTW. I'm curious. How much power would I gain by gutting the catalytic convertor? I'm just pretty curious about it. It's probably pretty well clogged from the misfires I've had in the past. I'm hoping gutting it will increase my response.

Oh, Lexus. I've gotten my van up to 80 MPH on the freeway. :bigbounce It has no problem holding itself at 72 MPH on a 70 MPH freeway, even on the hills. So, it torque around 3000 RPMS, which is what the engine is screaming at at 70 MPH, is pretty good. Some people have gotten their van up to 110 MPH. I did swipe a picture off the Toyota Van website. Someone got theirs to about 97 MPH. I suppose with an automatic and some playing with the gas pedel, you can get it to go pretty fast if you wanted to. These vans will not stay in overdrive with the pedel floored. You floor it, it downshifts. When it tops out in that gear, you have to let up on the gas to let it shift. Then you get a little bit more speed.

http://main.toyotavans.org:8888/img/zach/02.jpg

Run-GSX
Originally posted by kcg795
Ok, thanks Run-GSX. We will see what happens and hope for the best. BTW. I'm curious. How much power would I gain by gutting the catalytic convertor? I'm just pretty curious about it. It's probably pretty well clogged from the misfires I've had in the past. I'm hoping gutting it will increase my response.

Oh, Lexus. I've gotten my van up to 80 MPH on the freeway. :bigbounce It has no problem holding itself at 72 MPH on a 70 MPH freeway, even on the hills. So, it torque around 3000 RPMS, which is what the engine is screaming at at 70 MPH, is pretty good. Some people have gotten their van up to 110 MPH. I did swipe a picture off the Toyota Van website. Someone got theirs to about 97 MPH. I suppose with an automatic and some playing with the gas pedel, you can get it to go pretty fast if you wanted to. These vans will not stay in overdrive with the pedel floored. You floor it, it downshifts. When it tops out in that gear, you have to let up on the gas to let it shift. Then you get a little bit more speed.

http://main.toyotavans.org:8888/img/zach/02.jpg

Catalytic converters get clogged due to the engine running too rich for too long. Unburnt gas draining into the cat causes it to heat up dramatically and go into meltdown , where the 100's of little tiny passages thru the monolith block start to melt and get blocked and in extreme cases the block becomes a solid chunk of partly melted converter material and passes no exhaust at all. I see this a lot in the older EFI turbo Fords , such as the T-bird Turbo Coupe and the XR4ti , for some reason. A few simple misfires will not clog up a cat. Basically by gutting your cat , you removed a bit of low-end torque (back pressure is great for low-end) and made the exhaust a bit more CFM-friendly at the higher rpm's. You should notice that the engine feels a bit livelier up in the higher rpm's. :D
I notice in this pic , that the oil level light is on and the gas tank is empty. Not what I'd really wanna see if I was doing 97 mph. :eek:

kcg795
His gas gauge is probably shot. Also, if you look at the oil pressure gauge, it seems to be fine.

Run-GSX
Originally posted by kcg795
His gas gauge is probably shot. Also, if you look at the oil pressure gauge, it seems to be fine.

Yeah , I S'pose. :scratch: Just kinda makes ya wonder.

RedLine
No offence, but is this van really worth what you're putting into it?

Run-GSX
Originally posted by RedLine
No offence, but is this van really worth what you're putting into it?


Dude , those old Toyota vans are the shiznit. :troy: Last longer than any other minivan on the road. I still see quite a few on the roads around here. :cheers:

kcg795
Thanks Run. Yeah, Redline. It IS worth it. *cartman voice* "It's my van and I'll do whatever I want with it." Fuck the KBB value. I go for sentlemental value, man. BTW, I just parted my first part off another Toyota Van last week. There's a van sitting in the backyard of my brother's friend's uncle. We went to pick up my brother's friend from there, about 48 miles away, and I asked his uncle if I can have the windshield washer reservior unit off that van, since the poor thing is sitting back there rotting away. He said I can have it. So, I brought my 10 MM socket with me and my OLD reservior and swapped it. I let him have my old one because it really isn't his van anymore and belongs to someone else. So, I want that person to not really know someone took something from it. :D Anyway. I got my new washer reservior in my van and it works great. Now I can clean the bugs and birdshit off my windshield when I need to. :clap:

Run-GSX
Well now to just the rest of it running good........:bigbounce

kcg795
Yeah. That would be nice. :D But, that day will come.

RedLine
good for you, now just pirate the engine and you'll bet good to go.:D

kcg795
I just pulled out a couple sparks plugs to shine a flashlight down to check for cracks. BTW, the head is the type where a tube surrounds each sparkplug and oil flows around the sparks plugs. Pretty neat idea to help keep them cool. Well, I removed the spark plugs and the tubes and looked in the holes with the flashlight. I discovered a couple of cracks. So, my head is toast. Oh well. I looked up a new head on Schucks. The price is not very bad at all. In fact, it's great, assuming the head comes with the whole valve train. I really hope it does come with that. Anyway, the head is $243.99. Plus, there's a $104 core charge if I'm too lazy to take the old head back. I do plan on tackling this job myself. BTW, the DIY channel rocks. They had a segment on how to change a headgasket on a pushrod engine. It was very interesting and it basically convinced me to give it a try. I'm now making a list of the tools and parts I need to do the job. I'm gonna study the video some more, since I recorded it to VHS. And I will study the repair manual and get it down good. I hope it all goes well and I don't fuck up anywhere.

A-Tech
you may have to drop the engine. and I would never do something like that myself as an amatuer, even now I woiuldnt trust myself dude, some pretty bad shit can go wrong. Not to mention you probably dont have the required tools to check to see if your block has warped or anything.

kcg795
you may have to drop the engine. and I would never do something like that myself as an amatuer, even now I woiuldnt trust myself dude, some pretty bad shit can go wrong. Not to mention you probably dont have the required tools to check to see if your block has warped or anything.


Luckily, I won't have to drop the engine. Headwork has been successfully done without the removal of the engine on other vans that other people I know on Toyotavans.org own. The manual even doesn't mention anything on removing the engine. So, I'm cool on that. I will also have my dad helping me since he used to do this stuff a long time ago. He used to have a 74 Plymouth Satellite and the steering went out on it. So he and a friend of his both took the engine out of it and dropped it in the body of an 82 Dodge Diplomat. Later, he hit a deer with it. Then the tranmission wouldn't shift to the last gear, so he ended up driving it home with the engine screaming and his piston rings went bad. Also, his reverse went out. So, we ended up getting rid of the car. So, with the help of my dad and my research and studying I've been doing, I think we'll be able to pull this job successfully.

A-Tech
lol, good luck. it may be awhile before its running again.

kcg795
Well, it's been officially off the road for almost a year now. Today, I drove it for one last time to take my uncle on a beer run to the local general store. Then Wednesday, I'm going into town with my brother when he goes to school. Then I'm gonna go buy me some tools. Need a torque wrench, some metric sockets, and a razor blade gasket scraper. I calculated and $45 should cover that.

Later, when I get more money, I'll start buying the parts. Then the last 2 tools I want and probably need. A Tap and Die set and a compression tester.

I also plan on getting a "head-set" that comes with all the gaskets. This is cheaper than buying the headgasket seperatly from all the other gaskets. Right? Well. Time to call Schucks and ask about the head they sell and hope it comes with the whole valve train.

kcg795
Sweet! The head DOES come with the whole valve train, springs, etc. And I asked the lady about a 1/2 inch drive socket set for the 1/2 inch torque wrench I need to get. Kinda goes a couple bucks over my budget. But, I'm sure my dad can let me have an extra 10 bucks.

kcg795
The disassembly has now begun. Got the intake manifold off. I also removed the fuel injection rail. I did because I didn't have a big enough wrench to remove the fuel line. So, I just took the entire thing off and moved it aside. Well shit. Since I'm as far as the fuel injectors, I might as will replace the fuckers. I also have the valve train off and the pushrods. Got them punched into the side of an oil bottle in order. The underside of the valve cover is a mess with a thick layer of green shit. I also removed the power steering return hose and it looks like hell. Some of my vacuum hoses broke when I was trying to remove them. So, they will also be replaced with pretty colored ones. BTW. Which color should I get? :hit:

A-Tech
like it really matters being under the front seat and all....

are you labeling all the parts you take off? hoses and such have to go back onto where they came off of. use some tape around the edge and write what it is and label the corresponding hole.

kcg795
like it really matters being under the front seat and all....

are you labeling all the parts you take off? hoses and such have to go back onto where they came off of. use some tape around the edge and write what it is and label the corresponding hole.

I'm putting everything in seperate baggies. I have a bag for all the hoses. Have a bag for fuelinjection parts. Have a bag for the valve cover parts. I pretty much got it down. The repair manual has a diagram in case I forget which hose goes where.

kcg795
I also found some pictures I've taken a while back when my brother was borrowing a digital camera from the school. I can use these pictures as a guide to help me along.

kcg795
I decided to try my shitty digital camera at taking some pictures. Later when my dad and I are out buying REAL tools, we're gonna get a disposable camera and take some decent pictures while I'm working on this.

Mr.Dave
Tell me some more about your van... how many miles does it have on it? Why are you working on it... and I don't mean what's wrong with the engine, I just mean why do you wanna salvage it?

A-Tech
'sentimental value' or some shit like that but I think its more along the lines of 'im a broke ass'

RedLine
HEY! IM NOT BROKE AND I'M STILL PUTTING OLD PILES OF SHIT BACK TOGETHER!

Drive what you can afford, and what you like. If the kid likes his old busted ass van, leave him be. :D

kcg795
It has over 204,000 miles on it. But the engine was rebuilt at around 190,000. They fucked up somewhere and didn't do something right. Transmission is still original except for the torque convertor. It's still going pretty strong. It has a rough 1 - 2 upshift and has a harsh engagement when I put it in gear. But from what I hear, all the vans are like that. I consider my tranmission pretty efficiant on the way it shifts. I'd floor it and it'll linger in 1st gear until at about 5000 RPMs then dump all that power to 2nd gear. But after I get it all fixed, there won't be much hotrodding anymore. Plus, working on this thing is a learning experience for me. I'm also gonna take it very slow and clean everything while I go along so the results will look very clean. After changing the head and the headgasket, I don't think I'll finish putting it back together until the fuel injectors are changed. I'm just gonna take my sweet time reassembling it bit by bit.

A-Tech
posts.... so.... long.....

RedLine
Must be that DVORAK layout he talks about. I cant really see how using a different keyboard layout would make any scence. Really, think about it, its stupid. But since I havent tried it I guess it'll be a learning experiance. Btw, anyone know the best way to use bondo?


Rambols on pointslessly for many more lines.......... :PD:

kcg795
Why would using a more ergonomic keyboard be stupid? The reason that it's more ergonomic is because the most commonly used letters in the english language are on home-row. I switched to it because I read that Qwerty was designed to slow you down. After I switched and learned it, I was convinced that what they say about Qwerty is true. I hope someday, the majority of computers will be set to Dvorak. But I do not think that'll ever happen. If only everybody knew the benifits of this layout and took the time to learn it and KNEW that it takes a LOT less time to learn, then we'd have a much better standard.

RedLine
Look what I went and did :rolleyes:

kcg795
:PD:

911GT2
The disassembly has now begun. Got the intake manifold off. I also removed the fuel injection rail. I did because I didn't have a big enough wrench to remove the fuel line. So, I just took the entire thing off and moved it aside. Well shit. Since I'm as far as the fuel injectors, I might as will replace the fuckers. I also have the valve train off and the pushrods. Got them punched into the side of an oil bottle in order. The underside of the valve cover is a mess with a thick layer of green shit. I also removed the power steering return hose and it looks like hell. Some of my vacuum hoses broke when I was trying to remove them. So, they will also be replaced with pretty colored ones. BTW. Which color should I get? :hit:

I'd say colour code them. It'll make it easier to diagnose a future problem.

Mr.Dave
I wanna try the dorkvac keyboard!

NightRider
Why would using a more ergonomic keyboard be stupid? The reason that it's more ergonomic is because the most commonly used letters in the english language are on home-row. I switched to it because I read that Qwerty was designed to slow you down. After I switched and learned it, I was convinced that what they say about Qwerty is true. I hope someday, the majority of computers will be set to Dvorak. But I do not think that'll ever happen. If only everybody knew the benifits of this layout and took the time to learn it and KNEW that it takes a LOT less time to learn, then we'd have a much better standard.

Look, I have four computers in my house, then i have a work computer, use computers at school, and sometimes go to other peoples houses and use the computer. The reson that dvorak sucks a big one is that once you switch, you still need to use other computers with regular keyboards. So i guess if you like only being able to use your own computer then dvorak is great!

kcg795
All computers are capable of using the Dvorak system. If I use somebody else's computer that requires me to do a lot of typing, I sneak into the control panel and change it. I still can type a little Qwerty when I'm only using the computer for a little bit. If I would've learned Dvorak while I was still in school, I would've been alright because my Alphasmart word processor I used had a Dvorak feature. I really didn't know the benifits then, so I didn't use it. I imagined if I hooked it up to any of the Macs in school, I would've been able to type Dvorak without changing anything in the settings on the Mac. They do make hardwired keyboards too. So, if you use a computer at work that has the control panel locked out, then you can hook up the keyboard and use that. Oh shit. Paragraph....getting long.....again. Anyway. I'm not afraid of the consequences that could occur. If I really need to use Qwerty again, I'll brush up on it and learn to use both. But for now, I'm trying to help promote Dvorak because it really is a more ergonomic, safer to use, keyboard.

I do have Dvorak section on my website. www.kcg.2ya.com I have links in there at the bottom as well. There's also a link to a website that let's you practice. And I've explained how to change the settings to Dvorak in XP.

Also, I've met another Dvorak user in the Tech TV chat a few weeks ago. He's just as bad as me trying to promote it. Once you try it, you'll be trying to get everybody else to. I really cannot help myself. :cheers:

A-Tech
i just think you like to type alot.

RedLine
Alpha smart........

Arent those for people with issuses with there learning....

No offence to people with learned disabilitys, just KC

kcg795
I was in special ed, as a matter in fact. But later on, I started using my special ed as just a study hall. I hardly ever asked for help. Anything. They loaned me an Alpha Smart to use. My handwriting is very poor and I feel more comfortable typing everything out.

NightRider
I was in special ed, as a matter in fact. But later on, I started using my special ed as just a study hall. I hardly ever asked for help. Anything. They loaned me an Alpha Smart to use. My handwriting is very poor and I feel more comfortable typing everything out.


Oh, so you rode the short bus? i remeber the kids in the special ed stuff, they're the ones who play magic cards at school

kcg795
I've never had to ride the shortbus to school. I don't have THAT bad of a learning disability. The school I went to doesn't even have short buses. The other school I was at before high school did. But they only used it for this ONE retarded kid. He must've been really bad to ride on the big buses. But at this school, the retards got to ride the big buses. There's this other retard who has to go home in a school car. He's in a wheel chair.

kcg795
Well. I went to Wally World today and bought a breaker bar and a set of sockets. I bought the kind of sockets that fit both metric and standard and grip on the walls of the bolts instead of the corners. When I got home, I successfully pulled the head. The headgasket is blown at cylinders 3 and 4. Looks like a tad bit of carbon build-up has occured. My dad also wanted me to take the head into the shop and have them inspect it for any more cracks. I told him I do not trust this head; I do not wanna take any chances with it. I want to replace it to be on the safe side. So, he said alright. There's some carbon on the pistons. What's the best way to clean that off?

RedLine
Fire. Or if your not that adventurous, you can buy a spray on carbon cleaner. Or CLR, worked on minor build up on the neighbours truck

kcg795
Ok. I'll give that a try. Here's some pictures I've taken. Don't worry. I'll get some 35 MM pictures someday. BTW, my headgasket was scanned under the scanner. :naughty:

RedLine
Yup, thats a problem. BTW, if your going to be leaving the cyclinders open for any period of time. Stuff a new clean cloth in there so nothing forign gets in there. Make sure that the cloth doesnt have loose threads, so they dont get stuck in there.

kcg795
Ok. I'll do that. So, what do you think? From the looks of the headgasket, do you think the head got warped? If it is, or isn't, doesn't matter. I'm replacing it anyway. Now time to disassemble the head. Have to take the intake and exhaust manifold off it and remove all the sensors that are hooked up to it. My dad is also gonna go ahead and take the van off the insurance for now. He's gonna try to get me another car I can drive until my van is fixed. I told him that I plan to get the van back together and running again sometime next summer. I'm taking it really slow. Also need time to save money and shit. I'm also gonna clean everything thoroughly before I bolt it back into place.

kcg795
Well. Found out what burned out my alternator and caused it to fuck up again after it was rebuilt. I gotta close look at the wiring harness on it. I found 2 wires that are frayed and burned. So, I'm gonna have to look for a new wiring harness. May have to get it from Toyota. I'd get one from the junkyard, but it'd probably turn shitty. Don't want that to happen.

A-Tech
oh....


my....


god....

Mr.Dave
Here...

Take my car... just please, don't post about your van again.

A-Tech
amen dave, amen.

Mr.Dave
haha, thanks

kcg795
Why can't you guys be serious? Here I am not only trying to fix my rig. But I'm also learning as I go along. The only person who's really being serious and helpful is Redline. If you guys don't wanna help me around, then just please back off. It's just a waste of my bandwidth and time to notice I have new messages in my thread, then see a bunch of useless garbage.

Horus
*useless garbage*

well, someone's pissed

Mr.Dave
I'm just saying you go on and on like a senile old man. Why can't you just take it to a shop and have a mechanic look at it? I just don't get it.

kcg795
Because I can't afford to pay for the major labor charges. And I want to learn how to fix these things myself. I'm also in no hurry to get my van running right away. I wanna take it slow, clean as I go, and do it right to assure I won't have another problem in a long time.

I gotta drill attachment that's basically a wire brush in a circle. I used that on the valve cover. I am amazed with the results. It's shiny. Looks like stainless steel. I love the way it looks. Now I have to paint it. I'm using the attachment to clean off the air intake system and anything else that needs cleaning. I'm hoping to borrow a dremel tool set so I can get into some of the crevaces.

Took the alternator into the place who rebuilt it. They tested it and it's putting out 63 AMPs and it's putting out normal voltage. We gave them my wiring harness and they are gonna make me a new one. The positive wire is gonna be thicker. The whole harness is gonna be 2 feet longer so it's routed AWAY from the exhaust so it doesn't get burned again.

We got the pictures back from Wal Mart last night. They turned out pretty good. I'll try to get more pictures of my latest progress too. I know some of you don't give a shit. But I don't give a shit that you don't give a shit. :fro: Anyway. In case you DO give a shit, here's some 35 MM versions of what I took with the digi.

A-Tech
I'm just saying you go on and on like a senile old man. Why can't you just take it to a shop and have a mechanic look at it? I just don't get it.


read: Poor.


We can post wherever we want, its a forum where you post opinions, and my opinion is that your threads are boring and long over something that really isnt interesting considering...

A: Its a shitty ass van
B: Its a shitty ass van
C: " "

kcg795
If you don't like my threads and what I say, then DON'T READ THEM! I do NOT wanna hear your opinions. If you wanna help out with a certain problem, then fine. But I do not wanna hear a bunch of bullshit that isn't helping me one bit. For fuck's sake. Why don't you 2 just grow the fuck up and be professional for a change. You don't take a car to a mechanic to have his look at it and then he says "Well, I found the problem! You car's a piece of shit." That is no way to solve anything. Nobody wants to hear a bunch of bullshit like that. Also, this is MY thread. I'll post whatever I want. Notice it says that the thread started is kcg795. That's ME! I will say and post anything I want in this thread. If wanna read it and look at it, that's fine. If you got something USEFUL to say, then say it. I'm tired of the useless bullshit I get from you two. You guys do not amuse me one bit.

Mr.Dave
This is amuse you.

Mr.Dave
Oh, and I just said "why don't you take the van to the shop?" I didn't say he'd say "My God, this is a pile of shit!" Though he might think that :D We're just playing around man. I loved my first car, it was an '86 Camry and didn't give a flying fuck what people thought about it... but at the same time I sorta knew there wasn't a big general interest in that sorta car.

We're just playing around KCG... and it's the fact that you get on here and update us... but I really don't know what the hell you're talking about. But it is nice to see you taking the initutive to do this by yourself. Can't say we're any help.

A-Tech
Ok, its your thread, its also a public forum where I can post what I want. If you wanted a fucking private diary about your van and how you like to fuck the exhaust pipe at night, then do it somewhere where people cant leave comments. Welcome to life, people are gonna give you shit just because thats what alot of people do (jerks like me). Deal with it, like I deal with the threads you make, I dont like em, but I feel I must post in them to point out the obvious... which is that your van blows major ass. I am not here to amuse you or be proffessional.

Horus
I do believe this thread is getting out of hand. Mods?

NightRider
Ok, its your thread, its also a public forum where I can post what I want. If you wanted a fucking private diary about your van and how you like to fuck the exhaust pipe at night, then do it somewhere where people cant leave comments. Welcome to life, people are gonna give you shit just because thats what alot of people do (jerks like me). Deal with it, like I deal with the threads you make, I dont like em, but I feel I must post in them to point out the obvious... which is that your van blows major ass. I am not here to amuse you or be proffessional.

Brian gives me shit about stuff all the time. basically whenever i come up with some stupid shit idea for my car or computer or really anything, he tells me i'm fucking retarded (he's usually right). Anyhow... *shrug* i just hate van's... i used to drive a 1992 ford van with a 5.0 v8 that was running on at most 6 cylnders... most likely four.

Sia Bani
KCG, from now on use the "report a post feature". All the mods can get involved if you use that and you dont' have to wait for me to read my pm's.

Atech, quit being the tool you are and shut the fuck up. Thanks.

Also, I think we need to take a look at who'd be a good mod for this section.


Edit: Dave, your a little bitch too. :hit: