View Thread: Subaru Clutch/Tranny problems?


Iwannarace
So I have been lusting for a WRX for some time now. Prob about 3-years...ever since I heard they were comming to the states. Two weeks ago, I bust out of work for a bit in the mid-morning, only to drive past a black WRX wagon that was parked near my house -- it had a for sale sign on it. As it turns out, the guy selling it, parks there everyday while he is at work, he just gets to work after I leave from home, and leaves before I get home...

Anyway, blah blah blah...

He e-mailed me last week and told me that his car was about to go into the shop and get some work done on it...This is what he wrote in his e-mail:


The cam belt tensioner was replaced under warranty at around 4000 miles ( it would lose hydraulic pressure overnight and the cam belt would slap against the the cover for a few seconds on start-up til oil pressure was restored). All WRX's and 2.5 RS models have issues with "clutch shudder" and mine is no exception. Subaru has a replacement assembly ( Flywheel, disc, pressure plate and throw-out bearing) that is rumored to be "heavy duty". Parts are on order for mine and should be in this Monday. I was originally kind of pissed about it but on second thought I guess I'm happy it happened while still under warranty!


I've never heard of this before. Have any of you heard of prbloems with the Subie drivetrain?

Just woundering if any of you have any info you could share.


BTW, here's a pic of the beauty:

01 civic
Did you drive it? I don't like it, maybe everyone said how great the car is and stuff, I was abit dissappointed. I happend to drive a Mazda 6 on the weekend, I liked it more than the WRX. The brakes are one of the best, and it don't feel like a FWD car. No torque steer at all.

scubie02
Yes, many early wrx's had an issue w/ "clutch shudder" or "deceleration noise" if they had the original clutch/flywheel assembly. I read about it and took mine into the dealer, even though I hadn't had any problems (mine did do the "deceleration noise" but thats not really a problem per se as far as how the car runs/performs--most people simply assumed it was something to do with the turbo making the noise)--anyway, I took mine in since it wa an early model and said I'd read about this could I get it replaced with the new one, and they did it no problem under warranty. Mine's got over 30k miles on it and is doing fine.

Civic--did you drive the sedan or wagon?

ksaile
A buddy of mine has a black wagon like that, he loves it. Take it for a spin if you haven't yet, pretty damn fun, especially for a wagon. I've been keeping a close eye on any problems that may be arising now that the WRX's are getting more mileage on them. One may be in my driveway next year.:cheers:

Rotary Boy
clutch sudde is no big deal, people like to think that the shudder and noise is the sign of some big problem but it isn't. subaru just didn't cover up the vibrations of the flywheel at lowRPMS at first. then people complained becuase if it makes noise there must be a problem.

350Z's with out the super heavy stock twin flywheel assembly have some wild tranny noises, doesn't mean there is any kind of a problem though

scubie02
Yeah, that what I meant when I said it wasn't really a problem, per se--just making a noise doesn't mean it won't be reliable or will crap out.

ksaile--did you always have the toyota? For some reason I was thinking you had landrovers...guess I didn't notice w/ the smaller pic.

ksaile
Nope, no Land Rovers, just the 2 Cruisers. I almost bought a Range Rover once, but came to my senses right before I literally handed over the money for it. Cruisers eat Rovers for little snacks.:D

scubie02
Yeah, I've always liked the 4runners and landcruisers, but for some reason you don't seem to see them as much around here anymore. For awhile they and the Pathfinder's were sort of the suv of choice for performance and pseudo entry level prestige vehicles, but not so much anymore--people went to the more expensive american suv's. Perhaps yielding to the reality that they weren't doing much off roading and wanting comfort and ride quality over actual performance--who knows.

01 civic
Originally posted by scubie02
Yes, many early wrx's had an issue w/ "clutch shudder" or "deceleration noise" if they had the original clutch/flywheel assembly. I read about it and took mine into the dealer, even though I hadn't had any problems (mine did do the "deceleration noise" but thats not really a problem per se as far as how the car runs/performs--most people simply assumed it was something to do with the turbo making the noise)--anyway, I took mine in since it wa an early model and said I'd read about this could I get it replaced with the new one, and they did it no problem under warranty. Mine's got over 30k miles on it and is doing fine.

Civic--did you drive the sedan or wagon?

I drove the sedan. Why??

Run-GSX
We have the WRX wagon. 8500 miles so far , no worries. 16 psi boost mod , air restrictor removal. Smooth as glass , no weird noises , no clutch shudder , not even the rattling noise associated with the factory short shifter. Gotta expect SOME weird noises with AWD , thats just the way it works...

scubie02
How did the boost mod affect your gas mileage? I have heard that putting on a larger turbo can sometimes, amazingly, increase power AND mileage...

Run-GSX
It really doesn't seem to have made any kind of difference. Its not a major mod , the max is only 5 psi more than stock , and that is when it spikes. I get a fairly constant 16 psi , dropping to stock boost (13.5) at redline. You can get better fuel mileage by removing all the cats. ( :scratch: ) A bigger turbo can help , but not by itself.
I'd say the biggest mileage difference , so far , came from the airbox mod , and ECU reset. I'd say its gone up 2 - 3 mpg. The stock intake is very restrictive , especially for a turbo car.
Generally the freer you can help intake and exhaust air flow , that will help improve efficiency and therefore fuel mileage....:D

scubie02
Yeah, I actually got a fuel mileage boost by simply putting in a K&N filter (I was more going for that than expecting a power boost). When the car goes out of (bumper to bumper)warranty in a few months I'll probably do some exhaust work (get rid of some cats) but I don't want to give them any excuses before that.

Run-GSX
The only thing you'd be voiding is the emissions warranty anyway. Subaru dealerships install all kinds of stuff around here , including said exhaust sytems. And they are warrantied.
Just keep the stock exhaust handy for when you need to do emissions testing later.
I haven't looked at K+N filters for that car yet , because the stock one doesn't look that restrictive. Perhaps the design was changed for '03. My next mod will prolly be an up-pipe , a friend of mine has an HKS one , with out the cat.
Lemmee see if I can attach this pic of his headers , these things make me drool.....