View Thread: 2002 Celica GT-S


mrgokou
My friend just bought a brand spanking new Celica GT-S from the toyota dealers for about 18 grand. I really have no idea how he got that deal but i htink he might be lying to me.

ANYWAY.

He asked me if there's anyway he can "hook his car up". And by "hook up" he meant speed wise. HE said that he'd be able to spend about another 6 grand on the car in the coming year, and just wants to know what he can do to it and buy. I don't know exactly what his goal is for the car so i can't give u that. but if it were me, i'd say a 300 or so hp car for Auto-X. What would be the steps, to get there?

mrgokou
oh and for those who want to know. The celica GT-S is a:

180 hp, 1.8 liter VVTLI 4 cylinder twin cam engine.

k6kicker
depends on the amount of work he could put into it. The motor uses a high compression ratio to pump out it's solid n/a horses so going forced induction (i would assume a turbo for this sort of high revving application, but a supercharger would do wonders for the bottom end) would require new internals. On the other hand, theres no way you can pull off 300 n/a horses on a motor like that, so im my opinion, i would go for some n/a engine mods and then suspenision and various handling mods first, hell even if he goes with a set of headers and a CAI they could be reused in a supercharged application:tahoe:

mustangdriver
To get anywhere near 300hp, you gotta go Forced Induction. I'm betting a good amount of that $6000 would go towards a Turbo or Supercharger once you factor in installation. You're normally looking at $4000 - $5000 for parts alone plus at least $1000 to get that sucker installed (RB can quote some closer prices).

Honestly if he is going to autocross it, he'll be better off keeping it stock engine wise and concentrating on suspension goodies. You are a really racing against your class so you don't need to go 300hp, plus forced air will SCREW his warranty.

In D Stock (SCCA Autox class he'll be in) he'll be running against these cars:

Acura Integra Type R RSX-S ('02+)
DS Audi S4 ('00+) (A4 chassis) ,TT (180hp, single intercooler)
DS BMW 3 series 6 cyl. (non-M) NOC
DS Chrysler/Dodge Daytona IROC R/T Neon SRT-4
DS Honda Prelude VTEC engine models (all)
DS Infiniti G35 Sedan
DS Lexus IS300
DS Mazda Mazdaspeed Protégé Dec-02
DS Mitsubishi/DSM Eclipse/Talon Turbo AWD
DS Nissan Maxima ('04+) Sentra Spec-V ('02+)
DS Subaru WRX
DS Toyota Celica GTS ('00+)
DS Volkswagen Golf/Jetta/GLI 24V VR6 ('02+)
DS Volvo S60R ('03+)

mustangdriver
Man, looking at that list - that's gonna be a bitch!

SRT-4, WRX, RSX-S, DSM, Mazdaspeed Protege, etc.

If he modifies anything internal in the engine he'll move to a modded class. Here's a good list of what he will be able to change and what he can't change to stay stock. You can do some pretty good stuff and still stay "stock"

Classifications (http://www.moutons.org/sccasolo/)

mrgokou
ol.. yeah that list looked kind of painful to a guy in a Celica GT-S...


so if he were to go with forced induction, where can he find something for the celica?. ANd how "streetable" wuld it be?

mustangdriver
I'm not really sure who makes a kit (turbo/SC) for the Celica honestly. I haven't been into Toyotas all that much. It's popular enough that I'm sure there are some good kits out there.

As to hot streetable it would be, that's a good question. The 6spd should be pretty decent but I'm not sure about the internals. It would also need a limited slip if it doesn't have one.

lexus1581
Wouldnt HKS make a turbo kit for the celica?

mustangdriver
Most likely

mrgokou
hrmm.. don't u think it'd prolly sell a whole lot more if toyota made the engine a turboed and intercooled 2 liter?.. and AWD?

:D just a thought

mustangdriver
No doubt!! :cheers:

eric rxb
Yea, it's called the All-Trac. And suprisingly it didn't sell that well. Atleast it never got a chance because the never made that many of them

lexus1581
uh yea but that would cost more money and this is supposed to be a cheap car but tons of fun!

mrgokou
sigh yes i miss the ever rare all-trac celica... who knows maybe, they'll keep with the traditions and release a specialedition?!?... u know with all this competion now.

Rotary Boy
the 02 celica GT-s is one of the single most competent stock autoX FWD cars ever built.with 2grand in suspension mods on an other wise stock car(aside from some pilto sports) a celica GT-s turned a faster slolam speed than a EVO VII GSR. and a better skidpad number.

suspension mods, brakes, a AEM Spec 2 CAI, a DC sports catback, some lightweight rims, some hoosier A3S03's.

ta da. you have a nationally competitive AutoX car with less than 6K in mods

lexus1581
Call up Toyota headquarters and request it as part of your awf duties.

mrgokou
Originally posted by Rotary Boy
the 02 celica GT-s is one of the single most competent stock autoX FWD cars ever built.with 2grand in suspension mods on an other wise stock car(aside from some pilto sports) a celica GT-s turned a faster slolam speed than a EVO VII GSR. and a better skidpad number.

suspension mods, brakes, a AEM Spec 2 CAI, a DC sports catback, some lightweight rims, some hoosier A3S03's.

ta da. you have a nationally competitive AutoX car with less than 6K in mods


wow... i stand corrected. I 100% belive u, but are there any links or sumthing to the AutoX Celicas that can do these? I'd like to see them.

Rotary Boy
give me a day, i have this peice of paper with a bunch of celica links written all over it laying around, lemmie find it.

mrgokou
k no prob. I'll do asearch for them on google now. This seems pretty interesting.

It'd be kinda funny if a Celica gt's just owns PD's Mustang in AutoX.. kidna liek this:

http://www.autoworldforums.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?s=&postid=57450

Rotary Boy
wow, what a funny ass picture

lexus1581
i think theres a pic of ronaldo and someone else in that position except on the ground kneeling.

masestylez
Thats a tough class, very tough. :)

Enano Siniestro
https://www.hotchkis.net/secure_index.html

Good stuff for the Celica's suspension.

Enano Siniestro
https://www.hotchkis.net/images/celica/celicafront.gif

mustangdriver
Originally posted by mrgokou
k no prob. I'll do asearch for them on google now. This seems pretty interesting.

It'd be kinda funny if a Celica gt's just owns PD's Mustang in AutoX.. kidna liek this:


Wow, not only were you talking trash about racing, you posted a picture of a Duke player! That's the only team I hate as much as the Yankees! :curse:

If you let me spend as much as the guy with the Celica spent, we'll see who gets owned! ;) Don't forget I have 80hp on him and the 300ft/lbs of torque should help on the autox track. So I don't need the exhaust/intake, just the suspension mods.

So I'll beat his ass for less money :humpy:

(I know you were kidding, I just had to respond to that one)

scubie02
Yeah, I came in late here but I'd have to agree with RB that the celica isn't too shabby for autox as it comes. It actually handles very well, even w/ the stock suspension, and its not like you're going 100 mph in autox--handling is a big deal. Most reviews pick the celica as handling BETTER than a RSX-S. And its pretty light. The only problem I hear about the GT-S is lack of low end torque/need to keep it revving high, and very narrow powerband. Alot of people actually prefer the GT model for the 5 speed and claim it has better low end oomph and is a better engine to mod. Whereas I think the GT-S engine has pretty much had all that can be wrung out of it squeezed out already but isn't really suited for boosting--at least that is my recollection.

My gf had an '00 GT, and it wasn't a bad little car. Peppy and quite decent handling. Great fuel economy for a fun car too. But the prices must have dropped ALOT w/ the hp wars--her GT was pushing $21k I think, and GT-S's were like $24-$26k then I think. But cars like the WRX and now the neon and such probably killed those prices...

scubie02
Have you raced your Mustang yet, PD? Do you think you will do better times than in your Prelude? The stang has the power advantage, but the prelude's were supposed to handle pretty well. I'll be interested to see the times comparisons...

mustangdriver
Originally posted by scubie02
Have you raced your Mustang yet, PD? Do you think you will do better times than in your Prelude? The stang has the power advantage, but the prelude's were supposed to handle pretty well. I'll be interested to see the times comparisons...

I haven't gotten time to race yet this spring unfortunately. Weekends go so fast when it starts getting warm.

I'd look at it like this, the Prelude and the Mustang are in two very different classes for a reason! But when it comes down to it, in autox, a really good driver with a decent handling car can be a giant killer and take out some higher performance cars. I'm betting with the increased hp and HUGE torque difference my times will go down from last season. I regularly got beat by the big V8 cars, except for a few exceptions that weren't very good drivers. You can put a novice in a Viper and he's going to get his ass handed to him by an experienced guy in an Escort.

But bottom line, I can't wait to race!!! I missed the signup for this weekend so I'm on the wait list.