View Thread: FLANKERS............


Les /Vipers Rule
Pics of one of my favorite airplanes...


http://www.duffeyk.fsnet.co.uk/su-37_files/su-37_06.jpg


I'll actually be building a maodel of this SU-37 Super FLanker soon in 1/48 scale........ way cool fighter jet.


http://www.duffeyk.fsnet.co.uk/su-27_files/su-27_06.jpg

An older SU-27 Flanker B, still a very cool and potent fighter. I have this kit in 1/48 scale tucked away for a future build too!

Sia Bani
hah, never imagined we'd get Jets in here! Nice pics!

Felix Leiter
Very nice Les... I almost made it to Michaels with my 40% off coupon this weekend to shop for a model. Maybe during the week!

A-Tech
is this Les Vipers Rule?

Nothing beats good ol American Fighter Jets.

rawr. ;)

Les /Vipers Rule
First, yes, I too am Les/ Vipers Rule.

Second: American jets are cool, but Flankers are Russian ;)

Third: For Felix. Michaels does not have the best selection of models, and they INFLATE their regular prices, therefore using the 40% coupon is really needed to lower the price to a real value, but even with it the models are generally only a few dollars cheaper than the regular prices at hobby shops or other department stores. But I have bought a few cool kits with the coupons over time. Michaels has a good selection of accesories, some good priced and other not so good which can come in handy, since they are an arts and crafts store look around the whole store for things one can use in plastic modelling. :cool:

Felix Leiter
Thanks Les.

RSXDriver
I love fighter jets period.

I'm in an area in which the Navy's newest plane is stationed, the F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet. We lost two last week off the coast, and the memorial services for the four officers is sometime this week.

The F-14 pilots are transitioning to the Super Hornet.

Les /Vipers Rule
The Super Hornet WILL be a great airplane. It is taking a beating by those who think they know, as for not being so great, but they, IMO fail to see the whole package. Many of these people have biased feelings towards the F-14, as nice as it is, but a tired old plane that is a bugger to work on, a pain to keep in high rotation and overrated in many ways.ThE PHOENIX MISSILE being one of the more overated aspects of the F-14

The F-18 E/F will offer better electronic suites esp. when they build later blocks with APG 79 phased array radar, It carries a wider range of weapons. ATFLIR is coming with a few bugs at first to work out but it will perform as good if not better than the F-14 B/D LANTIRN system. The F-18E/F will have a better cockpit and will be much easier to mainatain, especially when at sea.

It will need time to work things and problems out but over time will prove to be one of the best multirole combat planes around.

Lotus
are those the ones that can point there nose vertical and still move forward?

RSXDriver
Yeah, and when the Super Hornet is sitting next to a C/D, only then, can you see a noticeable difference. The E/F is larger than the C/D, almost the size of a Tomcat. And they also have LOTS of room for upgrade.

Where I work, we have F/A-18 E/F cutaway simulators for the maintenance side. I think they're almost lifesize, but maybe 9/10 scale.

Pretty cool...

Lotus, are you talking about the planes Les posted? If so, I believe so... I could be wrong, though.

Les /Vipers Rule
Originally posted by Lotus
are those the ones that can point there nose vertical and still move forward?


Yes Flankers of any ilk can do manueuvers like the Cobra where they fly straight pitch up the nose to about 120 degrees AOA hang in mid air for a moment and drop the nose to fly away. Another version is called the hook where they do it sideways.

Whether these maneuvers are good for battle is another argument. But they show the qualities of the airframe and engines as these are generally very unstable maneuvers.

Super Flankers with thrust vectoring can do sommersaults in the air and can do manuevers were they basically back flip and straighten out to fly back the way they came.


But the real strength of these planes esp. later models are the weapons they carry and the radars etc. The latest Russian missiles are the class of the world, From longer range R-27s in either semi active or IR homing design, to the new R-77 AMRAAMSKI active radar fairly long range missile to the R-73 shortrange Dogfight missile, all are awesome weapons. Flankers can carry a mix of 12 missiles. and later varients of Flankers have outstanding radars and fire control systems with great range and systems to asses multiple threats and fire on many targets using ( with near automation ) the right missiles for each.

lsr78
Have you seen the new Boeing stealth? Crazy looking.

http://www.newscientist.com/ns_images/9999/99992946F1.JPG

Sia Bani
Originally posted by lsr78
Have you seen the new Boeing stealth? Crazy looking.

http://www.newscientist.com/ns_images/9999/99992946F1.JPG

is that real? that is one badass jet!

SLP Addict
A friend of my dads steve byrum is the VP for AMTI, they are JAR147 approved(somthing boing is not) and they have the maintnacne contract's for Air force 1, check out his company's site(my brother made graphics for the site) http://www.amti-training.com/

lsr78
Originally posted by Sia Bani
is that real? that is one badass jet!

It's real, they even have video of it flying.


Bird of Prey in Flight (http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2002/video/lb03235.mov)

(Warning : Big File and Slow Server and it's .mov)

Evidently they have been conducting test flights since 1996! Wonder what they have now.....

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2002/photorelease/q4/dvd-227-001.jpg

Sia Bani
not that slow..i'm getting 80kb.

Lotus
that bird of prey program was an experiment, they made somthing like 60 sucesful flights, and supposidly gained a great deal of data for future planes, the program was recently cancelled.

A-Tech
les, I know its russian, thats why I am saying nothing beats an american jet.

SLP Addict
Still the jet looks bad ass!

Les /Vipers Rule
Originally posted by A-Tech
les, I know its russian, thats why I am saying nothing beats an american jet.


Some American aircraft are great, and worthy opponents, but other than stating your opinion, you cannot prove that Russian or Western European aircraft are not the equal or better of many an American jet.

But I think many American fighters have been great and are great ( look at my sign on name here )The companies that make them are f'n theives and overpricsing so much of US technology. But that is an argumment for another day.

Just don't get so giddie about US combat pilots getting into shooting war with competent airforces flying some of the Russian planes like Flankers and Fulcrums, because many an American flyboy will find his ass shot out from under him.

OVERCONFIDENCE is the most dangerous thing a fighting man can bring into war.