View Thread: Since this forum includes classics, the first 911!


911GT2
The Porsche 911 started out as a styling exercise based on the 356 coupe called 695, produced in 1961. The first 911 was to have a new powertrain, Porsche's famed flat-six. The 2 liter unit matched the output of the 356 Carrera 2 with 130 bhp. There is also an S model that put out 160 hp in 67-68 and 170 in 1969. Weight stayed at about 1000kg through the first generations,with the Targas weighing about 50 kilos more.

The very first generation of 911s spanned from 1963-1969 with 2 main derivations: the Coupe and the Targa. Here's some pics:

http://www.idee.demon.nl/911_20/b911-3.jpg
The Type 965 Prototype, 1961

http://www.idee.demon.nl/911_20/b911-104.jpg
A 1964 Porsche 911.

http://www.idee.demon.nl/911_20/b911-114.jpg
1964 Interior.

http://www.idee.demon.nl/911_20/b911-124.jpg
The famed Targa.

http://www.idee.demon.nl/911_20/b911-127.jpg
The start of the flat-6!

911GT2
Credit goes to http://www.idee.demon.nl/ for the pictures and specs.

SLP Addict
Nice article............

Rotary Boy
one of the first customer jobs we ever had was to install a new exhuast on a '65 911, didn't have an origonal motor but the motor wasn't much newer(like off a '74 if I recall) that car was very lightwieght

Sia Bani
they're just such great looking cars. You can tell the 911s are old, but the design is almost timeless.

911GT2
Exactly. Although the aerodynamics are nothing short of awful.

Sia Bani
Originally posted by 911GT2
Exactly. Although the aerodynamics are nothing short of awful.

if their 911s only drove in reverse! I think if you'd reverse the direction of airflow, the aerodynamics would be quite good actually, almost a waterdrop shape.

911GT2
Wouldn't look too attractive!

Sia Bani
what...driving in reverse? ya, you probably wouldn't attract too many ladies doing that...

911GT2
Just imagine the rear window being the front.

SLP Addict
Hmmmm, that would look kinda hideous, im gonna try to do that in PhotoShop

Sia Bani
Originally posted by 911GT2
Just imagine the rear window being the front.

jesus, i know. :tahoe:

SLP Addict
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.....................~!!!!

911GT2
Get that Photoshop done yet SLP?

lsr78
here is my try

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid38/p26a91cfcf64282976b151fb452b29ae1/fd0e7cf9.jpg

911GT2
can't link off imagestation

you've gotta post the link to it.

lsr78
actually, imagestation works sometimes. don't quite understand it.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid38/p26a91cfcf64282976b151fb452b29ae1/fd0e7cf9.jpg

911GT2
While that looks very weird, that's a nice photoshop.

SLP Addict
I just made this realy quick too get this section goin again, come on flame me or my chop, just TALK!

lsr78
bah, steal my reverse chop will ya,

here then

mustangdriver
Technically if it was really reversed, the rear would be the front like this. (I know the door doesn't line up but that wasn't the point) :D

http://www.maxeffx.com/will/porsche.gif

lsr78
hey, that looks almost like a porsche truck - if the front is the right side

mustangdriver
Yeah, the front is the right. Maybe this will be the new addition to the Porsche lineup! They have an SUV, why not a pickup :D :D :D

This has gotten me into urge to start some Photoshop threads here and there. Maybe one person posts an original and we see who can come up with the neatest Photochop.

www.fark.com does this daily I think. They post random pics and see what people can come up with.

lsr78
I second that idea. Maybe one pic a week or so?

mustangdriver
Cool. I think that would be fun. We'd just have to agree on an original to mess around with. Pics with angles like this Porsche are good. When they are at an odd angle, it gets more difficult. I guess difficult can be good, but not quite as fun :D

Arthur Dent
The 911 was originally launched as the 901 but Peugot threatened to sue so they changed to 911 but there are a couple 901s out there.

911GT2
Yeah it was originally the type 901.

SLP Addict
Wow, you learn somthin new everyday...............shutup sia

ksaile
Old thread but I never saw it before. The 901 protype debuted in '64 but the production 911 started in '65 at which time the 356 was still availble too.

Yeah the aerodynamics were horrible. My '69 911E only has 25lbs of force pushing down onto the road at the back at 100mph. It gets very, very interesting when you start getting into the triple digits. The early 911's are so light and nimble though that it makes up for it. Plus hearing that aircooled flat 6 climb up to it's 7,200 rpm redline is truly awesome! Nothing else sounds like a 911.

ksaile
Better throw in some photos of 'er:



http://www.cartogra.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=303e7eab-57b1-2788-7241-1e3f1b246e28&size=lg

http://www.cartogra.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=7977325b-7805-6d82-304a-f22645705d23&size=lg

http://www.cartogra.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=a92a1f2f-3b12-7d84-486a-1ed326425225&size=lg

The '69 911E is special because it was the first use of fuel injection on a 911. It features the same mechanical fuel injection system that is used later in the Carrera RS 2.7.

911GT2
Hell, you're lucky you have downforce at all, alot of 911s have freakin lift!

And that's a very nice car ksaile.

ksaile
Thanks! Lift is the key word. Thats what I mean by the rear weighing only 25 pounds, the lift is so much that the back end gets really light. Its alot of fun, but needs some work right now. My rear main seal is leaking, brake lines need replacement, and needs an expensive ass oil change. It hold 12 quarts of Mobile 1 $$$$. I've actually been very tempted to sell it and pick up a Vette that I had the pleasure of using for a couple of months last summer. The power and exhaust grumble were addictive and it holds the distinction of being the car that hooked me on cars when I was a little kid. So who knows what will happen.

911GT2
NOOOOO!!!

It's worth it!!

How much would a similar 911 sell for anyways?

911GT2
And jesus that's light....that's in the order of 1000 lbs of lift...that can't be right or that's damn scary...

FabUlous
ksaile, you still got that red celica??

911GT2
Red Celica?....I heard of no Red Celica....unless you're referring to his 944.

ksaile
I sold the Celica after I bought the 944 back in '95. Here's a couple pics of it though, I loved that car, even lived out of it for 2 months.

http://www.cartogra.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=6684612d-5108-3b13-4235-45c66dfe65a9&size=lg
http://www.cartogra.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=35c86460-24bd-d6a1-41be-47acaebd7125&size=lg
http://www.cartogra.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=1664ced2-677d-3816-159c-83e17d792dfd&size=lg
http://www.cartogra.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=139b73e8-3a1c-705b-445b-4b0f6079ccbd&size=lg
http://www.cartogra.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=491580c2-adba-3dcb-5329-79492f497740&size=lg
http://www.cartogra.com/sessions/75873973679/16355914lg.jpg
http://www.cartogra.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=61441f98-6b88-7388-26e1-6f046c632166&size=lg

Lets see, 1000lbs of lift does sound bizaare. Ethan, my buddy that I bought it off of quoted me the lift figures from some book that he had read. All I know is it is squirrely when you are hauling the mail. Especiall on the 14x6 Fuch wheels.
In good condition that car could be worth anywhere from $7-$10k depending on where you where selling it. A couple unique features about it that make it rare include the fact that it is an E which aren't terribly common (these had a 150hp 2 liter with MFI, and hydroneumatic struts) they were one step down from the S model which had carbs, 165hp, and a more aggresive suspension setup. Also this particular car has the sportomatic tranny. Kind of strange but works really well. Basically it is a 4 speed stick shift, without a clutch. When you grab the shifter, the tranny goes into neutral by means of a electo mechanical coupling that is attached to it. Not a lot of cars with this option. It was even used in some of Porsche's factory 911 race cars winning a notable endurance race of which I can't remember the name of off of the top of my head.

I bought the car for $2,500 so I think I can sell it and make a profit pretty easily. I'm itching for some V8 power pretty bad and the Vette I'm looking at has plenty. I've talked about it awhile back here on the forums but here is the stats.

'77 Vette
complete restoration 1 year ago.
engine- bored over, balanced and blue printed 350, aggressive cam upgrade, edelbrock 4 barrel + intake, free flowing exhaust with headers (no emissions) with low restriction mufflers
painted candy apple red with tastefull chrome accents
aluminum mags
ttops
its an auto tranny, but I can look past it for a cruising mobile

The thing just snarls. It sounds sooo sweet and has endless gobs of torque and thrust. The T tops are pretty awesome too.

Here's a couple pictures of it.
http://www.cartogra.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=3e3b57a6-1409-7cfa-7678-5c5b330b4697&size=lg
http://www.cartogra.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=4e081adf-1540-23ff-756f-62f639358720&size=lg

911GT2
If it was a true manual and this was the end of the summer (i.e. me having fucking money) I'd actually consider buying it, I'd love an old beauty like that. It'd force me to learn how to work on cars :)

Man I love 911s....

ksaile
They are great cars and pretty staight forward to work on but parts are pricey and if you need to pay labor, it can be even worse. Problem that I have is that it's too nice of a car to flog around daily in. Especially considering that it only has 65,000 miles on it. I want a car that I don't feel bad about using, and possibly abusing a little:D

911GT2
That's the thing, I've got practically zero expertise on actual engine repair, I'd love to learn though.

And I'd only drive it on few occasions, maybe a close-to daily driver on sunny summer days.

And one question....where do you find these cheap 911 prices? Did you have to do serious work on yours or what?

ksaile
I bought mine for $2,500 US off of a friend of mine. He bought it a year after I bought my 944. He had talked the seller down from $7,500 down to $4,500, primarily because it was fall and the guy didn't want to store it for another winter. He then stored it in my garage that winter, drove it a little the following summer, then it just sat in my garage since '97 only getting started up and driven by me to get it out of my way once in awhile. Over that period the brake lines starting going bad and the rear main seal in the engine started to leak. Poor car, he had originally intended to turn it into a track car then completely lost interest in cars, I don't even think he owns a car right now. So last fall he mentioned that he wanted to sell it to a Porsche mechanic from the area, I asked him what his rock bottom price that he would have to get for it would be and he said $2,500. Done. Since it became mine, I haven't even driven it and only visited it once since my garage is 5 hours away from where I live in the winter. I really need to address some of those issues with it before it can go on the road. Also the paint isn't that great when you look at it up close. I just feel like having something to drive without wrench time this summer. The 944 is a work in progress and not a very practical daily driver since I removed all of the interior minus the front seats. I see deals for the older generation 911's come by pretty often, but you really need to have some one knowledgable on them to help you decide if it is a good deal or not. Mine needs a few things but I know that overall its is a very solid car.

ksaile
A fun project car that I've always wanted to do that wouldn't be too pricey, if you wanted to roll up your sleeves on a Porsche would be a 914. The prices are starting to go back up on these, but if you can find one in good shape (some special places you have to look for rust on these cars) they could be a lot of fun. Go with a 2.0, has a 2liter fuel injected VW flat four mounted midship with 4 wheel disc brakes and the 911's front suspension. As long as you aren't a horsepower addict you could make an enjoyable car. They are like go carts. With the targa bar painted body color, I think they even look good!

ahahn
Yeah , my friend has a 914 with the 2.0 liter. He is restoring it ground up, and I go over and watch and help every so often, just to learn things and stuff. It is a super fun car to tool around in. It has amazing handling, corners like its on rails.

911GT2
Yeah I like 914s too, it's just that there's so few around here.

Either way I'd love a toy/project car, since I can't really afford much else and have other, more reliable means of transportation.

911GT2
And with a brake bleeder, is replacing the brake lines very hard??

And how hard would the engine seal be to fix?

ksaile
The brake lines typically aren't too difficult but honestly I haven't even sized up the job yet on the 911. I think its been maybe 2 years since I've actually even looked under it. As far as the rear main seal goes, my buddy told me he was quoted $600 from a Porsche mechanic to do the work. I haven't gotten a factory service manual for the car yet so I can only speculate as to what it requires to be done. I've done zero wrenching on this car, and honestly I'm a little intimidated. I don't want to make any expensive mistakes. In about 2 weeks I'm going to be moving down to my summer home where the cars are at and will hopefully be monkeying around with them soon. It's been awhile since I've gotten to drive FAST!

Ahan, your buddies 914 sounds like fun. Seems like your butt is sitting on the ground in those things. The 914 is at its heart more closely related to the original Porsche #1 then any other model. Mid engine, modified VW components, light weight, nimble, makes up for its lack of power with finess. I want one!

mrjswift
Except for a couple exceptions they've stayed pretty true on that bug light style for sure.

mrjswift
Nice photoshop edits btw.

ksaile
Originally posted by mrjswift
Nice photoshop edits btw.

What photoshops are you refering too?:scratch: