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k6kicker
Good news, i think i found my little run around car for down at school.....get ready.....my mom called me today and asked if i really liked my z, and of course i gave her the normal yes, at first i was thinking someone offered an abusrd amount of money for it and she was checking to see if i was gonna buckle, but then she dropped in on me...240z, mint shape, garage kept, one owner, the old amn who owns the local nissan dealership....my dad went in to check about a 350z and took the 300 up there just for fun, the guy just so happend to be there at the time and talked to my dad for about an hour about my car, then made the offer on the 240.....8 grand, silver, 30,000 miles, :bigbounce I'll update if anything sweet happens

masestylez
MMMmmmm 240Z. :D

eric
Damn, you lucky bastard. But very cool find. Good luck with it.

k6kicker
my mission before i die is to ahve a gharae somewhere with a 240 260 280 both gens of the 300 a 350 and whatever may come afterards all tucked away somewhere :bigbounce

brindlepit
Hi five - Saweet!


:woowoo:

I know where you can get a whistle tip. :fyi:

87 Supra Turbo
Way to go. I really like the first gen 300z. If you get one you have to take 100's of pics for me.

CLK-GTR
what it must be like to have rich parents.

but serously, nice car. are you gonna do anything to it?

k6kicker
this sint oing to be a performace car, just a runabout fun car, i had planned on a miata for awhile till this thing showed, id most liekly keep it farily stock (intake exhuast) and maybe now do a little more work to the laser :) ( 200,000 miles on the first engine, means theres not enough boost :bigbounce )

mustangdriver
I almost bought a 240SX complete with SR engine off of Ebay today thanks to RB's link via PM. But some shithead used the "Buy it Now" option and paid $7000 for it. Dammit.

I am going to email my buddy Steve today. He has a white 300XZX, a 1993/1994 and I know he's been thinking of getting rid of it. I really need a car for this race season soon (selling the Lude so I don't want to much wear on it).

Congrats on yet another car :cheers:

eric
Originally posted by preludedriver
I almost bought a 240SX complete with SR engine off of Ebay today thanks to RB's link via PM. But some shithead used the "Buy it Now" option and paid $7000 for it. Dammit.
:cry:

I am going to email my buddy Steve today. He has a white 300XZX, a 1993/1994 and I know he's been thinking of getting rid of it. I really need a car for this race season soon (selling the Lude so I don't want to much wear on it).

Congrats on yet another car :cheers:

Good luck on getting something badass. Gimme info on when and where you're racing and I might come to watch. I want to get involved in the autocross scene, but don't really know alot about it. When does the season start?

Dreamn
240Z's rock, its one of my dream project cars of the future.

what you need is all generations of the Z so you can line them up and take a picture of them all, :bigbounce

mustangdriver
Originally posted by eric rxb
:cry:



Good luck on getting something badass. Gimme info on when and where you're racing and I might come to watch. I want to get involved in the autocross scene, but don't really know alot about it. When does the season start?

There are probably some events as early as February but it'll still be cold as balls around here. I normally start in the spring. The events I go to are at FedEx field normally. You'll have to cruise down for one, there are some AMAZING cars out there, it's pretty cool to watch.

btw, I'm high bidder on Ebay for a 944 Turbo right now :D

Dreamn
Originally posted by preludedriver
There are probably some events as early as February but it'll still be cold as balls around here. I normally start in the spring. The events I go to are at FedEx field normally. You'll have to cruise down for one, there are some AMAZING cars out there, it's pretty cool to watch.

btw, I'm high bidder on Ebay for a 944 Turbo right now :D

hope you win the turbo, :cheers:

mustangdriver
Thanks!!! I do too. It's nearby in Frederick, MD so it will be an easy pick up. And it's pretty cheap right now. 3 days left though so I'm not holding my breath.

87 Supra Turbo
Whats the link for the Turbo?

mustangdriver
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2402033487&category=6434

mustangdriver
I hate the fact that there are 3 days left in the auction. I'm in training tomorrow and Thursday too. So I won't be able to check it.

:banghead:

masestylez
I'll watch it for ya. ;)

Dreamn
Originally posted by preludedriver
I hate the fact that there are 3 days left in the auction. I'm in training tomorrow and Thursday too. So I won't be able to check it.

:banghead:

chill dude, all you need to worry about is the last 10 minutes, the rest of the auction doesn't matter. Ask the guy I bid against for a miata last week. He ended up paying 1000 dollars more in the last 2 minutes of bidding, :D

mustangdriver
Yeah I know, but I've got that natural feeling if impatience brewing. I know it's not worthwhile checking it right now but I also don't want the price to go up too much. I asked a guy at Autothority how much he thinks it's worth. I don't plan on going too high. Blue book isn't more any more than $5000 and that's dealer price in excellent condition.

I'll chill though :D

Dreamn
I do find it amusing that he's 10 years off on the year of the Porsche, its a 1986, not a 1996, moron, :rolleyes:

But otherwise, good looking, :cheers:

mustangdriver
I'm marking that up as a typo and hoping he's not that stupid....:rolleyes: That is pretty bad.

Dreamn
Originally posted by preludedriver
I'm marking that up as a typo and hoping he's not that stupid....:rolleyes: That is pretty bad.

noting where the price is right now preludedriver, you most likely will not be outbid. If you are, you might want to let this one go and just search the classifieds. There's a 1991 Porche 944 S2 for 7 grand about a mile from mile house. I'll drive it to you too if you want, :D

mustangdriver
Yeah, I realized as I was bidding that it is right at the upper limit of how much the car is worth. Damn, now I'm getting the "buyer's doubt" hehehehe.

If I get outbid, so be it. I like having that outlook actually. I might get some work done today after all!

911GT2
That turbo isn't a great deal. Decent deal, but the 87 Turbo S was the heyday of the 944. Couldn't buy a faster, better handling Porsche at the time.

Too many miles and too much cash.

mustangdriver
btw, I did a cars.com search for an 86 944 within a 500 mile radius. I got three.

One is $17K :surprised but only has like 30,000 miles on it
The next is almost $10K and has a bit over 40K on it (non turbo)
The last also a non Turbo and is $3000 but says "Runs, but needs work"

There were a couple 87s and the cheapest Turbo is $8800

So I'm pretty happy if I get it for $5200. Prices are pretty high in this area if you couldn't tell :D

:drive:

Dreamn
Originally posted by preludedriver
btw, I did a cars.com search for an 86 944 within a 500 mile radius. I got three.

One is $17K :surprised but only has like 30,000 miles on it
The next is almost $10K and has a bit over 40K on it (non turbo)
The last also a non Turbo and is $3000 but says "Runs, but needs work"

There were a couple 87s and the cheapest Turbo is $8800

So I'm pretty happy if I get it for $5200. Prices are pretty high in this area if you couldn't tell :D

:drive:

umm, yeah, guess Porsche is in as high demand as the Rex's. Its a good car, 0-60 in 5.5 ain't so bad, :cheers:

mustangdriver
Originally posted by 911GT2
That turbo isn't a great deal. Decent deal, but the 87 Turbo S was the heyday of the 944. Couldn't buy a faster, better handling Porsche at the time.

Too many miles and too much cash.

Hmmm. I'm still new at the 944 bit (as of this morning).

I checked it out and the 87 944 S had 188hp @ 6000rpms and weighed 2637 lbs. The 86 Turbo had 217hp @ 5800rpms and weighed 2758lbs.

Definitely a weight advantage for the 87 but definitely a HP advantage for the 86. I guess the 87 could have had a superior suspension. I'm willing to learn and definitely respect your Porsche opinion!!!

Also remember that prices around here are a bit higher because of the DC area.

:drive:

mustangdriver
Originally posted by Dreamn
umm, yeah, guess Porsche is in as high demand as the Rex's. Its a good car, 0-60 in 5.5 ain't so bad, :cheers:

Damn, I didn't know it was that low. I guess around 6 seconds to sixty. Hell it's faster than the Prelude and that's all I wanted out of my potential autocross/road racing car. The Prelude needs a break anyway, and autocross numbers on the side may scare potential buyers haha :D

911GT2
There was an "s" and a "Turbo S"

Sorry, it was actually 1988 when they boosted the power to 247.

http://www.dimmer.net/hosted/944central/951/specs.asp

911GT2
And that price isn't horrible as it stands, but the price'll go up.

It's an auction after all!

And BTW: the 944 could kill the 'lude in AutoX. Motor Trend called it "the best handling car ever" when it came out. That was before the 85.5 suspension upgrade.

mustangdriver
Originally posted by 911GT2
There was an "s" and a "Turbo S"

Sorry, it was actually 1988 when they boosted the power to 247.

http://www.dimmer.net/hosted/944central/951/specs.asp

LOL, that's the page I was going to post :D haha

Ok, the 88 was a beast, I agree! I searched real quick and the only 88 Turbo S was about twice as much as the one I'm looking at. I could give $5K to Autothority and have a pretty sweet 86 me thinks :D

Dreamn
Originally posted by preludedriver
LOL, that's the page I was going to post :D haha

Ok, the 88 was a beast, I agree! I searched real quick and the only 88 Turbo S was about twice as much as the one I'm looking at. I could give $5K to Autothority and have a pretty sweet 86 me thinks :D

Don't forget about the S2 I could hook you up with. Weighs 2750, 208 hp 3.0 litre 4, ;)

mustangdriver
Originally posted by 911GT2
And that price isn't horrible as it stands, but the price'll go up.

It's an auction after all!

And BTW: the 944 could kill the 'lude in AutoX. Motor Trend called it "the best handling car ever" when it came out. That was before the 85.5 suspension upgrade.

I dunno, blue book on it is no more than $5K so like Dreamn said, unless there's someone out there with a specific urge to have this car, it may not go up too much. *knocks on wood*

Thanks for the info. That's a great Motortrend quote! I found one link to C&D's 10 Best of 1986 which is was part of. I need a relatively inexpensive car that I can mod and not worry about quite as much. The Lude is worth too much to mess with at the moment, plus I'm going to sell it.

Well, it's worth a shot. We'll see what happens. The auctions ends at 9:25 Friday morning (Eastern Time).

911GT2
KBB values have been notoriously low for 944s.

I was gonna buy a 83 N/A two years back for 75-8500 and the KBB pegged it at about 2500.

And it was in mint condition (just a little bit of a cracked dash, which is a very common problem).

And I would still be jealous beyond all means if you bought that car.

That one seems to have pretty well all the common problems (water pump/clutch replacement, cracked dash).

eric
Good luck Will. I really hope you get this. I really want to see you kick arse in AutoX this year:woowoo:

mustangdriver
Originally posted by 911GT2
KBB values have been notoriously low for 944s.

I was gonna buy a 83 N/A two years back for 75-8500 and the KBB pegged it at about 2500.

And it was in mint condition (just a little bit of a cracked dash, which is a very common problem).

And I would still be jealous beyond all means if you bought that car.

That one seems to have pretty well all the common problems (water pump/clutch replacement, cracked dash).

hehe, yeah the other one I'm looking at is this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2401698712&category=6434

$3000 so far.

I saw the Turbo and fell in love with it though. And I couldn't agree more, KBB can be a killer sometimes. My Prelude comes in at like $17K and I bought it for like $24+ in 2001. Who says these people at KBB are right anyway? Bastards. Car dealers are pretty much just looking your car up on KBB and saying that's what they'll give you for it these days. I hate it.

Anyway, I'll be happy with the 944 if I get it. The problem areas do seem pretty routine and he's already replaced the pump & clutch which is nice.

And the PCA has a great DC chapter. I raced with them my first time out a couple years ago. Great guys. They were very helpful when I was starting.

mustangdriver
Hey Tony, sorry we hijacked your post. Congrats again on the ever increasing garage.

:cheers:

Dreamn
Originally posted by preludedriver
hehe, yeah the other one I'm looking at is this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2401698712&category=6434

$3000 so far.

I saw the Turbo and fell in love with it though. And I couldn't agree more, KBB can be a killer sometimes. My Prelude comes in at like $17K and I bought it for like $24+ in 2001. Who says these people at KBB are right anyway? Bastards. Car dealers are pretty much just looking your car up on KBB and saying that's what they'll give you for it these days. I hate it.

Anyway, I'll be happy with the 944 if I get it. The problem areas do seem pretty routine and he's already replaced the pump & clutch which is nice.

And the PCA has a great DC chapter. I raced with them my first time out a couple years ago. Great guys. They were very helpful when I was starting.

I was just about to point that car out you. Your backup in case the turbo falls through, :drive:

911GT2
The repair cost will be prohibitively expensive on that N/A. Very clean though, just make sure the clutch and water pump have been replaced lately. Both problem areas which require 10+hours of labour at a Porsche mechanic.

Turbo would be a better deal if more expensive to maintain.

IMO, the 944 is the best way you can spend money on a Porsche. 911s are too expensive even now, and in the late 80s, the 944s were faster. Don't even think about a 968 though. They're sooo fucking expensive it'd probably be more cost effective to buy a 993.

Dreamn
Originally posted by preludedriver
Hey Tony, sorry we hijacked your post. Congrats again on the ever increasing garage.

:cheers:

You can call us Pirates of the Autobahn, arrrrrrrrrrummmm

911GT2
Hmm...the price seems in line now I guess.

13-15K CDN for 87 S models around me.

mustangdriver
Yeah, that NA car is neat and looks fairly well maintained (as well as it can through ebay pics/text) but the Turbo is a better starting point I think.

What are some good mods off of the top of your head? I'm more familiar with Japanese car modding to be honest. This will be my first Porsche (2nd German car :)) I was thinking of getting some good shocks and tires for this season at first. Any engine work will bump me to a new class.

I had no idea the 944 was such a good performer. I was always a fan of it aestetically. I like 911's (who doesn't) but they are outrageously expensive even for an early 80's model.

I'm planning on very limited mileage on the 944 if I get it. To the track and back, and maybe some test/tune miles. So hopefully I can keep it fairly inexpensive. I have a couple very reputable Porsche dealers nearby. And then there's Autothority.... :surprised

mustangdriver
Originally posted by Dreamn
You can call us Pirates of the Autobahn, arrrrrrrrrrummmm

A hijackin we go!!! Arrrrrrrrrrr!!!

:pimp:

911GT2
I'd go with AutoThority.

Look on Rennlist to get some success/horror stories.

With an cast iron block, upgrading the turbos seems like a good idea, but I can't be sure.

911GT2
Not too hot on burgundy, but this sounds decent:

http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/vdetail.jtmpl?car_id=121766932&dealer_id=&search_type=used&make=POR&model=944&distance=any&address=12345&advanced=n&certified=n&max_price=&sort_type=mileage&min_price=&first_record=351&end_year=2004&start_year=1983&advcd_on=n&=&color=&car_year=1987

911GT2
And here's a hot little ticket.

I don't necessarily agree with the premise behind it, but it would be a Porsche without the maintenance fees:

http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/vdetail.jtmpl?car_id=122025514&dealer_id=&search_type=used&make=POR&model=944&distance=any&address=12345&advanced=n&certified=n&max_price=&sort_type=mileage&min_price=&first_record=301&end_year=2004&start_year=1983&advcd_on=n&=&color=&car_year=1986

911GT2
I'm outta here, but have fun, they're great cars!

mustangdriver
Take it easy man. Thanks for the links!

911GT2
One last note!

All those distances are in reference to postal code 12345!

masestylez
I want a Porsche 944, I can't wait until my uncle and aunt move for the winter and I get the garage to myself. :D

mustangdriver
Yeah, that's one reason I want to buy a new house. My townhouse only has a single car garage and a driveway. But that's what you get for 1/4 Million in DC :nope:

eric
Originally posted by preludedriver
A hijackin we go!!! Arrrrrrrrrrr!!!

:pimp:

I think someone should make a pirate smiley face holding a sign that says Yarrgh!

Dreamn
Originally posted by eric rxb
I think someone should make a pirate smiley face holding a sign that says Yarrgh!

you mean this guy

Dreamn
i found it here:

http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/

ksaile
All right, sounds like you've been getting some feedback Will. Did you get my reply to that private message? First off I need to correct a few wrong things I've heard so far. The waterpump replacement is not a big deal or job, but the clutch is. Like I told you earlier, it ran me close to $2,300 when all said and done. Timing belts on the 944's are the most crucial thing. If you have any oil leaks in front of the motor, fix them, because when that baby slips cha ching$! The motor also is an aluminum block and head. The suspension upgrades that occurred across the range halfway through '85 were mostly improvements, other then the front ball joints in my oppinion. Although the new aluminum control arms were lighter, they lacked replaceable ball joints and have been known on occasion to get damaged or worse to break. Inspecting them would be a good idea before doing any track work. The turbo S was available in '88 and in '89 all turbos were upgraded to those specs. Basically the s cars came with the upgraded handling package that was featured on the 944 cup cars used in the series around that time. Although 217hp doesn't seem like an awful lot, look at the torque figures on the turbo and turbo s, there both right around 250. Those cars pack a good wallop for the weight. They also take well to tuning. There are quite a few turbos out there pushing over 500 hp. A few years back an '87 turbo ran in Sebring and was able to stick with the prototypes on the straights! They were kicking ass then went out with a burned valve if I remember right. Pretty impressive for 8 valves anyway. Although if autocross is your focus, increasing the horses won't help you all that much. Lots of mods out there for suspension. The torsion bars in the rear are a pain in the ass to adjust (requires indexing, an inexact art) but there is a spring over conversion available I've heard.

As far as price, the rule of thumb with any used Porsche is, be willing to spend a little more to buy one in nice condition and it will save you money in the long run. Turbo values run all over the board, the best source for accurate 944 values is Excellance magazine. Each month they feature the current values of a particular Porsche model. I haven't gotten it lately so I can't tell you the last time they were in there though. Like I said before, if this doesn't work out and you still are interested in a 944, talk to your local Porsche Club Chapter and find one that was taken care of by an enthusiast who looked after the cars needs well.

Rotary Boy
hmmm was the '87 944 turbo S really the fastest posrche you could buy that year?
Apple_jacks may have somthing to say about that.(BTW why has he not posted in like 2 weeks, I see him at work all the time, wonder why he hasn't posted in so long)

911GT2
88 Turbo S outaccelerated and outhandled the highest 911 at the time.

And thanks for the info ksaile, for some reason I'd thought the block was cast.

ksaile
The 88 turbo s and 89 turbo were pretty close to the 911 turbo but the 911 gets the nod in the quarter mile and to 60 by a small margin, I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I remember the results. I've heard this argument before. Anyway, top speed they are pretty much even. However the 928S4 spanked both top speed. Handling skidpad and slalom were close with the 944 turbo being considered much more nuetral and easier to control. I'll dig around in my Porsche book collection and try to get the raw data.http://www.sor.com/ubb/graemlins/read.gif

911GT2
Cool.

Mind you, I'm taking what other people said into account here.

Then again, some 944 forum isn't the best place for objective opinion!

Rotary Boy
I guess that makes since, afterall, apple_jacks 930S is technically a RUF not a porsche, whole different ball game. But I know that no stock 87 944 turbo S is gonna be able to take his '87 930S turbo slantnose(and his car is technically stock, all were special factory options from RUF)

911GT2
You'd be surprised at how close it would really be in an autoX situation.

And his is a RUF, and is quite a bit more powerful than the regular 930.

ksaile
I'm not to up to date on his slant nose 930 but I thought that was a Porsche with some RUF upgrades. RUF is its own manufacturer and not considered a Porsche. They start with the 911 body and use their own mechanicals and put together their own engines using the 911 flat 6 as a starting point. To my knowledge, in the 80's RUF didn't make any widebody turbos, or slant nose versions, they chose all standard Carrera body styles due to the better coefficient of drag. Is his 930 a factory slant nose or aftermarket? The numbers for the factory steel slant noses are relatively rare, but there are a lot of fiberglass knockoffs on the market. I still haven't had a chance to look up the numbers (still in the office trying to actually do some work and not surf the forums too much).

1986-1988 944 turbo
hp 217
torque 245lb/ft
0-60 6 seconds
1/4 14.2
top speed 155
hp 247
torque 250lb/ft
1988 944 tubo S and 1989 944 turbo
0-60 5.5
1/4 13.5@103
top speed 162

911 turbo 3.3
0-60 5.0
1/4 13.6
top speed 160

I found these on the internet and they are close to what i believed them to be, although I remember the quarter mile being a tad quicker for the turbo 3.3.

SLP Addict
Those are alot quicker than i would have thought, whats hte difference between the 924 and 944?

ksaile
Originally posted by SLP Addict
Those are alot quicker than i would have thought, whats hte difference between the 924 and 944?

The 924 originally started off as a project that Porsche was helping engineer for Audi. Close to the end of the project Audi backed out and Porsche bought the rest of the project back. They then went to production with the car as a Porsche 924. It was Porsches first water cooled, front engined car that went into production. Technically the 928 project was started earlier but it didn't go into production untill '77. The 924 came to be in '76. It had an Audi sourced 2 liter SOHC engine. It produced 125 hp in US trim and similar torque figures. The car was considered rather unrefined with a buzzy engine and soft suspension, mostly due to inadequate anti roll bars. Revolutionary at the time was the cars transaxle design which incorporated the rear differential and transmission in one unit in the rear of the car, connected by a solid torque tube to the front. In '81 the 924 turbo was introduced with 150 hp from turbocharging the Audi unit. The car also had much sportier suspension settings and a new front air dam and small rear spoiler. The Carrera GTS was introduced in limited numbers in '82 as a homologation excerise in order to legitimize the 924gtp for Le Mans competition. The street version had 210hp from an uprated version of the Audi 2 liter. The Lemans cars boasted up to 450 hp in the final versions.

In '83 the 944 was introduced to the States. It had a totally new 2.5 liter SOHC 4 cylinder featuring an aluminum block and heads. The design was over square with twin counter rotating balance shafts. The engine was in essence the 928's engine sliced in have. One cylinder bank canted at a 45degree angle. It was praised for it smooth operation and torque charecteristics. It was considered as smooth as an inline 6. It put out 150 horsepower and 145 lb/ft of torque. The body was based on the 924 shell but it featured a wider stance and blistered fender flairs to accomodate both the wider stance and wheels. The suspension was straight of the 924 turbo along with the turbo's upgraded brakes. Half way through 85 a revised version of the car was introduced with a new dash design that finally parted with the 924/944's original interior. Also aluminum control arms were intoduced. The next major change was the introduction of the '86 turbo, the '87 944s (16valve 190hp), '89 944 (2.7 liters 165hp), 1988 944 turbo S, 1989 944s2 (3.0 liters, 209 hp)

That's the run down in a nutshell leaving out some minor model tweaks here and there, compression changes, and the such. So much for me getting any work done. Feels good to use these useless facts that I keep stored in my head. I'm a little rusty now, since I've been spending so much time with my cruiser lately, but at one point, I knew every performance figure and model specification of every Porsche model from 1949 to present. Not to mention history from projects before the company existed. Fun to use it once in awhile. Yeah, I'm a Porschephile.:D

mustangdriver
Damn impressive!!!

:drive:

scubie02
Did the 944's come in any other color? I'm not sure I ever saw one that wasn't that orangey red.

mustangdriver
I have seen burgundy, black and a few others. I may need to give mine a paint job if I end up winning the bid. How about yellow?

eric
I think black would look pretty badass. As long as you don't go with white.

mustangdriver
I'm not a big white car fan, don't worry.

I could do black. Red is fine with me too though. But in the beginning if it doesn't make it faster I ain't spending any money on it :D (besides preventitive stuff of course)

eric
Well, if I've learned anything from Import Tuner, it's that yellow makes cars go faster.

Ricers Go :woowoo:

mustangdriver
Yeah I hear the yellow paint is lighter and even increases horsepower! hahaha

:boxer:

eric
Ironically I just remembered that the Silvia in my in Yellow...

:woowoo:

mustangdriver
Yes, yes it is :) But I made it so it's not like I can make fun of you. I like yellow performance cars. If it's not fast, it should be against the law to paint it yellow.

eric
Tru!!

mustangdriver
:woowoo:

ksaile
Yellow ones look pretty nice although it wasn't a factory color. They came in Guards red, black, white, silver, champagne, burgandy, grey, I can't think of any others. Mine is Jalepena red. It's pretty bright, my photos don't do it much justice. The paints getting tired though, gonna have to do something about that someday.
http://www.cartogra.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=710a454c-5b10-2ffd-6afc-1c81347d7943&size=lg
http://www.cartogra.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=2b7b2012-78b2-2112-4edf-1d256f565886&size=lg
http://www.cartogra.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=4d1223ba-2938-7eb1-3749-79611ce259cd&size=lg

Apple_Jacks
the 944 turbos fucking rock, I wanted one when I was trading in the 928 GT-S, but the 930S was the only impressive thing in my price range(no well kept 944's and no cheap 993's)

and yeah it's a real 930S turbo slantnose(very rare). A slantnose from the factory. one of the very few of it's kind. like you said there are plenty of knockoffs. My car has a Ruf 3.3L boxer 6. RUF turbos, exhuast, suspension and brakes. it had Ruf rims on it, but I traded them out for another set of porsche wheels that looked the same and weighed about the same, but were alittle wider and taller.
the thing is though, my car is still technically a porsche, not a Ruf(which are not porsches they are thier own company) it just came from the factory with specially installed RUF hardware, not sure why and I honestly don't know what special circumstances this car must have been put together under for that too happen(was a dealer owned promotional car for about 16 years).I sometimes just call it a Ruf since it is packing such a heap of RUF componentry.

Prelude if you get that 944 turbo you will be lucky, they make superb autoX cars and are total beasts in the performance category, watch out for insurance though, my insurance company is not a big fan of the 930S.might be crazy rates on the 944 too.

as for the comment made on my car and a similarly well kept 944turboS in a AutoX. My car could maul it, better turn in and if you master the handling it will stick to the pavment longer than just about any porsche this side of the 996Gt2.