View Thread: ultimate street car showdown(the results of this years challenge)


Rotary Boy
enjoy (http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0302scc_uscc2_00/)

mustangdriver
Yummy!
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0302scc_uscc2_18_zoom.jpg

masestylez
Too bad the Viper won, I liked pretty much all the other cars better.

mustangdriver
Alright - you get to pick one to take home with you. Which one do you pick?

Without reading all of the specs I'd take the Skyline. That thing just looks badass.

Rotary Boy
sorry, but I got to keep the rotary loyalty, give me that laminar, I promise you if it had not blown up it would have one every performance test.

eric
I'd love a WRX, but i would perfer one without a big sparco decal. I think I would go with either the Skyline because it's rare and really cool, or the Datsun because its a fucking hardcore beater.

eric
Where do you see the results, all I see are the car descriptions

Rotary Boy
crap, they havn't posted the results yet on the net, but fi you get the mag you already know.

the laminar fried it's feul system before it ever got to do much but it did post some amazing numbers(1700lbs 380RWHP) wait a week or so and the results wil be up. I saw the page and thought the results were up already on the net, my bad.

masestylez
I would take the rotary as well.

mustangdriver
Which one?

masestylez
Make mine the 510.

brindlepit
In reference to the ACR:

Our advice to the other nine drivers: Turn that boost knob just a little bit more.


:bigbounce

CLK-GTR
GT-R please.

SkylineUSA
Been in a Viper, Supra, WRX, 3000gt, Type R, MR2, and GTR. Not even close guys.GTR

CLK-GTR
im not at all surprised the viper won though. regardless of the fact it isnt the better car.

mustangdriver
The Viper is like target shooting with a Shotgun. With all that power, you're bound to hit it more often than not :D

I like the Viper, but the other cars just seem more interesting to me.

masestylez
Most any car is more interesting to me than a Viper. :)

mustangdriver
Eh, it is what it is. I like it, just think it took a lot more work and sweat to make the other cars fast than it did for the Viper. Chrysler engineers took care of that. I appreciate any car that comes from the factory with 500HP though!

:cheers:

SkylineUSA
Well also the owner of the viper is practically a professional driver. He has been winning races with his Viper for a pretty long time.

mustangdriver
I was wondering about driver skill myself. I've beaten guys in Vipers while Autocrossing, so the driver is as important as the car.

scubie02
Originally posted by preludedriver
I was wondering about driver skill myself. I've beaten guys in Vipers while Autocrossing, so the driver is as important as the car.

Did you take any driving lessons or anything before you started autoxing, or just learn as you go?

mustangdriver
Nope, just went out there. First time was during an East Coast meeting of hondaprelude.com (which is now offline). I had the benefit of some of the regulars tutoring me a bit. I still hang out with them during events.

It's real easy just to show up and compete, although the events around here are several hundred cars now so you have to be kinda quick in signing up online. It's cheap as shit too :D

mustangdriver
Well that and there are no walls to hit. That's a big draw when you're using your daily driver. Although a novice in a 911 nailed an M3 this past summer :nope: Still can't figure how he managed that. You have to lose all sense to get that far off course.

brindlepit
Originally posted by preludedriver
I appreciate any car that comes from the factory with 500HP though!


Freaking AMEN to that!

:cool:

Rotary Boy
Originally posted by preludedriver
Well that and there are no walls to hit. That's a big draw when you're using your daily driver. Although a novice in a 911 nailed an M3 this past summer :nope: Still can't figure how he managed that. You have to lose all sense to get that far off course.

I do alot of my AutoX'ing with the local porsche owners club and one of the guys showed me that video

anyone here ever taken formal track lessons? I have been to bondurant, anyone else?

BTW I have a rally mustang update, dave called from work to tell me that it is running again, new oil pan, driveshaft, rear axle, all new rear suspension, new exhuast, and a new skidplate, he said it ran well and should do well as long as I don't try and ski jump it again. also got a set of falkin rally tires in preparation for the next time it runs

CLK-GTR
i am planning on taking some lessons. i havent got my liscence yet, but when i do my dad (a car dealer and race team mechanic) is gonna get me some lessons with the main driver in his team (who is a part time race instructor). works TVR drive, 2nd in class nurburgring 24hour 2002, every UK championship hes entered he has won within 2 years. he is a good friend of my dads, and has said he will teach me some things. he also knows the 'ring like the back of his hand, maybe he can teach me some of his tricks there one day :D

Rotary Boy
Originally posted by Pennzoil GT-R
i am planning on taking some lessons. i havent got my liscence yet, but when i do my dad (a car dealer and race team mechanic) is gonna get me some lessons with the main driver in his team (who is a part time race instructor). works TVR drive, 2nd in class nurburgring 24hour 2002, every UK championship hes entered he has won within 2 years. he is a good friend of my dads, and has said he will teach me some things. he also knows the 'ring like the back of his hand, maybe he can teach me some of his tricks there one day :D

that would be really cool, the ring is a place where your lap times are most affected not be driver skill(although that is still a key facotr) but by your expierence on the track, and your knowledge of the ring as a whole. I would love to tear aroudn that place a few times in the 7 or on a gixxer

mustangdriver
Originally posted by Rotary Boy
I do alot of my AutoX'ing with the local porsche owners club and one of the guys showed me that video

anyone here ever taken formal track lessons? I have been to bondurant, anyone else?

BTW I have a rally mustang update, dave called from work to tell me that it is running again, new oil pan, driveshaft, rear axle, all new rear suspension, new exhuast, and a new skidplate, he said it ran well and should do well as long as I don't try and ski jump it again. also got a set of falkin rally tires in preparation for the next time it runs

Really, you saw a video of that DC autocross wreck? I have some pics of the cars after it happened, I'd love to see the video, I saw it in person. :D

CLK-GTR
Originally posted by Rotary Boy
that would be really cool, the ring is a place where your lap times are most affected not be driver skill(although that is still a key facotr) but by your expierence on the track, and your knowledge of the ring as a whole. I would love to tear aroudn that place a few times in the 7 or on a gixxer

yeh he knows a few places to cut corners and knock seconds off your time.

did you ever get that video he gave me of him driving his F40 taken from a Yamaha R1 that was following him round the old course. i sent it to a few people over IM. you can have it if you want.

masestylez
I want to go to a race school so bad, it sucks. No one will pay for me though and I can't justify saving up for it right now.

Turbojett
SKYLINE

Shaman
I'll take the Viper if nobody wants it. It kicked everything else's ass. Harsh.

SkylineUSA
No, It lost in the 0-60 and the 1/4. How is that HARSH, please enlighten:rolleyes: :D

CLK-GTR
i never listen to comparisons by magazines of cars from their own country. they are biased. every car magazine in america rates the Viper so highly, but they can hardly sell them at all outside of North America. Same with all countries though.

Shaman
Originally posted by SkylineUSA No, It lost in the 0-60 and the 1/4. How is that HARSH, please enlighten:rolleyes: :D

Lost to an AWD car. But it wasn't built as a dragger, was it... where was that AWD car in the handling and top end contests?

Answer: dring to McDonalds for burgers. :drive:

SkylineUSA
AWD helps in the 1/4 mile, yeah right.

CLK-GTR
AWD can be bad on the strip. I havent read the specs on that Skyline, but the delay in transferring power with ATTESA can lose time on the strip

Shaman
It was the Eclipse that did so well. And yes, AWD will do very well at the strip provided you don't break something.

Arthur Dent
I kinda like that MR2 even though it probably got destroyed by everything else.

Rotary Boy
Originally posted by Arthur Dent
I kinda like that MR2 even though it probably got destroyed by everything else.

the MR2 did the challenge with a stock gear box and drivetrain, and during it's first hot lap it chewed it's third gear, so the rest of the performance tests were 3rd gearless for that car

and as amazing as those cars are that viper was very wll put together, hell it was built by the same people who put together the Lemans vipers. it may be a viper but that one was very well sorted and the driver was probably the best of the group.

also remember that is a competition about the best street car, it's not a pure performance test, it's about drivabilty and how livable the cars are. also in the final points competition the skyline was 2 points away from the viper, 2 points means that if the viper had been half a second slower on the roadcourse it would have come in second, if the skyline had been an R32 or R34 and could have goen RWD for the burnout comp it would have won for sure(AWD being a limiter in burn out action) another thing is this, if the laminar had not fried it's feul system halfway through the challenge it would have kicked just about everythings as in the performance tests(maybe not in the two acceleration tests but everywhere else for sure)

all of those cars are really impressive, you may like one more than the other, but all of them(except that Vr-4, which ended up being stock) are pretty cool.

Dreamn
i'm going with the rotary 510, :humpy: :tahoe:

SkylineUSA
AWD will help to a point, but there is also a point where it does not. It just becomes dead weight.

Weight transfer is very important, yes. With ATTESA spinning the front wheels when there in the air, how does that help? Wait, if there in the air, the rears have grip, therefore dead weight. Get it:)

eric
Yea i thought that the Vr-4 was pretty lame

SkylineUSA
The best all around car, for the money was the GTR. Hell, even if you didn't bring in the money factor, it was still the BEST car of the 10.

Rotary Boy
Originally posted by SkylineUSA
AWD will help to a point, but there is also a point where it does not. It just becomes dead weight.

Weight transfer is very important, yes. With ATTESA spinning the front wheels when there in the air, how does that help? Wait, if there in the air, the rears have grip, therefore dead weight. Get it:)

at the levels these cars are at it helps alot, becuase the skyline never got anywhere near picking up a wheel. it just squatted and shot out of the hole with an absurd 7.5KRPM clutch drop, same thing with the DSM. and both those cars got wicked accel times in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile becuase of thier AWD launches.

Rotary Boy
Originally posted by SkylineUSA
The best all around car, for the money was the GTR. Hell, even if you didn't bring in the money factor, it was still the BEST car of the 10.

I agree with that, it was the most livable and most comfortable car in relation to it's performance.

SkylineUSA
at the levels these cars are at it helps alot, becuase the skyline never got anywhere near picking up a wheel. it just squatted and shot out of the hole with an absurd 7.5KRPM clutch drop, same thing with the DSM. and both those cars got wicked accel times in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile becuase of thier AWD launches.
Agreed.

If those cars were a little quicker though, then it might not help, that really was my point.

Rotary Boy
I know I was just giving you a hard time

SkylineUSA
:tongue: Thanks