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k6kicker
Now I would say I know a great deal about sports cars and why ones are better then other, but off road performace has always boggled me. My normal off-roading experinces have been on the soft sands of the outer banks beaches and from what I have seen, the dominent vechicles have been older Nissan Pathfinders (newest ons i have seen outthere have been like 96's or so...but my families 90 pulls all kinds wranglers and just about anything out, and it is bone stock in every sense of the word) with Xterra's holding thier won very well, but with explorer's and most every pickup struggling very much, even large, massively lifted, huge tired, big engined beasts, getting pulled out by the good old beaten pathfinder....What is the key element for off-road performace, and why is that damned pathfinder a beast ( even on the 4 wheeler trails back in the hills, it has never been stuck)

mustangdriver
I'm in the Outer Banks right now :)

k6kicker
whatever you do DON'T EAT AT MAKO MIKE'S, made me and buddies sick for a few days and ther service was really shittty :tahoe:

Sia Bani
There's a shitload of "components" that make up a good OHV. What you're explaining to us is called Driver Skill, apparently!!

brindlepit
Well, take a look at Off-Road magazine - how many Pathfinder do you see in the pages? More than that, how many do you see modified?

Yes, I think a Pathfinder is a capable vehicle, but extreme machine it isn't.

What makes a good off-road - as Sai mentiones - shit loads of things. Axle, tires, engine, and suspension for starters.

masestylez
I think a Pathfinder would be a good platform for a 4x4. But thats just me.

k6kicker
Low end torque would be a bad thing in this situation wouldn;t it, as that would to lead to much tire spin, less traction, less controll, it seems liek amodest amount of torque, with gobs of horsepower, but then again i know nothing other then the old pathfinder owns the beahc, even with me driving...:tahoe:

ksaile
Torque is important offroad. This is because in most types of wheeling, you want to go as slow as possible and let the suspension work and keep the wheels on the ground. Chugging along at 900-1500 rpms is where you want to be when the conditions get technical. Good torquey motors let you have the power that you need without having to increase the engine speed much or increase your velocity.

As previously mentioned axles, suspension, and also component durability are also key items. For rock crawling and technical 4 wheeling, live axles (full floating) front and rear are the best. These let the tires mantain contact with the ground even when it gets rough, due to articulation. Combined with lockers, all 4 wheels will be turning and hopefully be clawing at the ground, and not spinning uselessly in the air. I'm partial to Land Cruisers, because I feel that they are the best engineered off road vehicles on the planet. The axles on the 80 series are similar in strength to Dana 60's. With coil spring suspension and 3 diff locks, the rig can really climb and claw its way through tough stuff. Land Cruisers have always been over engineered to be ultra durable in the toughest conditions. The 2 door fj40 series cruisers have been called jeeps with 3/4 ton underpinnings.

Other good things to have in an off road rig are clearance (big tires), good breakover angles, good approach angles, and good departure angles. Then if your rig is up for the task you should have a myraid of tools, recovery equipment, emergency supplies, and anything you may need in a worst case scenario on board.

And oh yeah, don't forget your camera to document your adventures!